How does a 4.0 student not understand the word 'illegal'?
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Originally from Canada, came here at 22, and I have more "papers" than I know what to do with locked in a safety deposit box.
I understand it was her parents that left her here so to speak. That's one thing. Kids that happens to I think need some special attention because really, they likely had very little choice in the matter.
HOWEVER.
Someone who knows she's here illegally, knows driving without a license is illegal and did it anyway, and was dumb enough to compromise the potential for citizenship and her full ride to a darn expensive school has no right to continue living in this country. She broke the law. Citizens get jail time or fines, legal permanent residents (like me) get deported and their own government gets to deal with them. Why does she have no consequences?
I understand it was her parents that left her here so to speak. That's one thing. Kids that happens to I think need some special attention because really, they likely had very little choice in the matter.
HOWEVER.
Someone who knows she's here illegally, knows driving without a license is illegal and did it anyway, and was dumb enough to compromise the potential for citizenship and her full ride to a darn expensive school has no right to continue living in this country. She broke the law. Citizens get jail time or fines, legal permanent residents (like me) get deported and their own government gets to deal with them. Why does she have no consequences?
As an aside, Berkeley is most emphatically not an Ivy League school. Berkeley is a State school, California's capstone school. The Ivy League schools are: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Cornell, Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, and the University Of Pennsylvania, which, like the others is a private institution, in spite of its name. They are called the Ivy League because they are a sports league, like the big ten, or Pac 10.
The issue of funding for a school like Berkeley is going to be a little different than for a private institution because of its public funding, but not for this issue since we are talking about federal loan programs, I guess.
The issue of funding for a school like Berkeley is going to be a little different than for a private institution because of its public funding, but not for this issue since we are talking about federal loan programs, I guess.
It's very logical. I DO NOT WANT MY MONEY PAYING FOR AN ILLEGALS EDUCATION. Where do you think govt grants come from? Loans? (unless they are personal loans) Where? The sky? They come from tax dollars that are taken from citizens. Citizens who have been paying taxes. Families who have been paying taxes for generations. She worked hard! Good for her! If she was SO smart don't you think she would have realized, hey, I better get it together and get my citizenship papers rolling. Nope..she wasn't that smart apparently. I don't care if she came here at 2, 8, or 18. She is here illegally because of her parents and they should all be sent home. Illegal immigration is illegal and being a criminal doesn't warrant a college education. Period.
Of course it's not. Like you said, the ivy league is a sports conference--nothing more, nothing less. Cal's programs are, however, on par (or above) a lot of those mentioned ivy's. Depends on what you're studying, of course, but it's a top notch school, and often referred to as a "public ivy" due to the caliber of its coursework and selectivity.
It doesn't matter to me about the word illegal. I am just as offended that tax dollars from someone who works at taco bell can be used to educate another person who is living at a higher standard to begin with. Just because someone is born here, has money or has connections doesn't entitle them to the earnings of other people. I am probably more offended that American people who live here and understand where our tax pool comes from feel entitled to it.
Buckshot, what I love about you is that you are so consistent, honest and principled in your autarkic way 
I will point out, though, just for the sake of accuracy, that if we are speaking of federal taxes, no one who works at Taco Bell, unless they are in the corporate office, will be paying for this kid's education. At that income level, you pay social security and medicare tax, but no income tax . . . indeed, you likely get the earned income tax credit.
On the other discussion, Berkley is an excellent school. The actual school rankings don't have much to do with "Ivy" or not. UVA was considered 4th in the law school rankings when I went there, above everything but Harvard, Yale and Columbia.
Oh, and jammer . . . odds are, she CAN'T get her citizenship papers rolling. She has no grounds for adjustment of status. No matter how smart, talented, or for that matter, innocent she is, unless she falls into a number of narrow categories, she can't become legal. And, oh, yes, she can't even TRY until she turns 18, unless, again, she falls into a narrow category of tragic circumstances. So, whatever you want to blame her for, don't blame her for not trying to become a citizen. She can't.
I will point out, though, just for the sake of accuracy, that if we are speaking of federal taxes, no one who works at Taco Bell, unless they are in the corporate office, will be paying for this kid's education. At that income level, you pay social security and medicare tax, but no income tax . . . indeed, you likely get the earned income tax credit.
On the other discussion, Berkley is an excellent school. The actual school rankings don't have much to do with "Ivy" or not. UVA was considered 4th in the law school rankings when I went there, above everything but Harvard, Yale and Columbia.
Oh, and jammer . . . odds are, she CAN'T get her citizenship papers rolling. She has no grounds for adjustment of status. No matter how smart, talented, or for that matter, innocent she is, unless she falls into a number of narrow categories, she can't become legal. And, oh, yes, she can't even TRY until she turns 18, unless, again, she falls into a narrow category of tragic circumstances. So, whatever you want to blame her for, don't blame her for not trying to become a citizen. She can't.
Buckshot, what I love about you is that you are so consistent, honest and principled in your autarkic way
I will point out, though, just for the sake of accuracy, that if we are speaking of federal taxes, no one who works at Taco Bell, unless they are in the corporate office, will be paying for this kid's education. At that income level, you pay social security and medicare tax, but no income tax . . . indeed, you likely get the earned income tax credit.
I will point out, though, just for the sake of accuracy, that if we are speaking of federal taxes, no one who works at Taco Bell, unless they are in the corporate office, will be paying for this kid's education. At that income level, you pay social security and medicare tax, but no income tax . . . indeed, you likely get the earned income tax credit.
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She should get her papers rolling...what papers? Where would this girl get papers? "She is here illegally because of her parents"...Like I said, should a child born in prison be raised in prison and remain there after becoming an adult with no chance of getting out? She never did anything criminal. You can't look at every person who's parents committed a crime and call them a criminal.
My guess is, if you don't want your dollars going to pay for an illegal's education, you probably vote against your local school budget and don't really want your dollars going to pay for anyone's education.
American is about equal opportunity. It's about everyone getting a chance. Not everybody getting a free ride. But to give everyone a chance, we've got to help each other out. Everyone keeps complaining about how the rich get richer and the poor get poorer but that just isn't true. The government gave me a chance I took. A chance on all of your dollars. Yes there are flaws, people taking advantage of welfare, etc. Complain when someone who doesn't want to work goes on welfare. Don't complain when a tax-paying, hard working, young illegal american (because she IS an american...) wants to go to school to better herself and HEY! better the country that gave her that chance.
You can send her stupid a$$ parents home.
My guess is, if you don't want your dollars going to pay for an illegal's education, you probably vote against your local school budget and don't really want your dollars going to pay for anyone's education.
American is about equal opportunity. It's about everyone getting a chance. Not everybody getting a free ride. But to give everyone a chance, we've got to help each other out. Everyone keeps complaining about how the rich get richer and the poor get poorer but that just isn't true. The government gave me a chance I took. A chance on all of your dollars. Yes there are flaws, people taking advantage of welfare, etc. Complain when someone who doesn't want to work goes on welfare. Don't complain when a tax-paying, hard working, young illegal american (because she IS an american...) wants to go to school to better herself and HEY! better the country that gave her that chance.
You can send her stupid a$$ parents home.
Have any supporters of Arizona SB1070 in this thread actually sat down and read the text? As someone who used to live in AZ, and got told on a regular basis to "go back to Mexico and have my baby there", it's horrifying. What exactly is "reasonable suspicion" that someone is an immigrant anyway?
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf
The foster kid scenario was an example. Surely you got that, right? See Milo's question about how parents mess up as bad as this girls did. Foster care children are an EXAMPLE of this mess up. I'm not arguing the points of a foster care child going to college. I'm arguing the point that an illegal shouldn't be entitled to government loans when she is here illegally. Regardless, of the fact that her parents screwed up.