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The cops shot this teen to death because he stole 2 ps3s from another teen...they shot him because he had a controller in his hand. If your playing the PS3 your obviously going to have it's remote in your hand. But that's not all...they shot his dog to death and the dog never attempted to attack them!! Now the case is getting investigated. I Can't Stand Cops!!

And another time the cops stopped a guy on the highway took him out his car put a beating on him arrested him. The dog ran out the car and started barking..not once attacked just barked, they shot the dog to death because it was a pitbull terrier. Then when they got a really good look at the guy they beat the hell out of it turned out it was a mistake! This was an innocent man with a dead dog. He said "My dog never attacked once, How dare they kill him! He was the most friendliest dog I've ever had and my only bestfriend."

I can't stand cases like this!:mad: I was in tears!!:(
It might be a very good idea to read the entire story before making any statements. The person who robbed the others used a gun and assaulted them also. He also had a web site featuring him and others with many weapons stating what they planned to do. The police contacted his family and friends and they all considered him very dangerous. He had told them and posted on a web site how he would kill others. When the police showed up they would not open the door. He also came running from another room as they went through the door with an object in his hands.
There is a lot more to the story. Before making any decision it would be better to read the rest of the story. This was not just a kid who stole a toy.
 
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It might be a very good idea to read the entire story before making any statements. The person who robbed the others used a gun and assaulted them also. He also had a web site featuring him and others with many weapons stating what they planned to do. The police contacted his family and friends and they all considered him very dangerous. He had told them and posted on a web site how he would kill others. When the police showed up they would not open the door. He also came running from another room as they went through the door with an object in his hands.
There is a lot more to the story. Before making any decision it would be better to read the rest of the story. This was not just a kid who stole a toy.
The article I read said exactly what I wrote. There wasn't more info to it. If I knew there was more to it I would've read the rest. But it gives them no right to shoot the dog to death, like I stated earlier cops should carry with a traquilizer gun for animals. Animals should never be killed even if they are trained to attack cops..it's not their fault! I have nothing against cops either because my uncle is a leutenant (sp?) (I have other fam working as cops as well) at precinct 3 and he truely has a big heart and I've let him know how I feel about cops shooting animals. Cops should have tranquilizers for animals.

And for prior posts before this, I agree every cop is different. We are all human with very different attitudes, opinions, and personalities. There's no reason to put down all cops, everyone is their own person, no two people are exactly a like. Many people have had bad and good experiences with cops but it's not in our place to discriminate all of them based on our interactions with some of them. We must be open at mind and not be biased. ;)
 

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The article I read said exactly what I wrote. There wasn't more info to it. If I knew there was more to it I would've read the rest. But it gives them no right to shoot the dog to death, like I stated earlier cops should carry with a traquilizer gun for animals. Animals should never be killed even if they are trained to attack cops..it's not their fault! I have nothing against cops either because my uncle is a leutenant (sp?) (I have other fam working as cops as well) at precinct 3 and he truely has a big heart and I've let him know how I feel about cops shooting animals. Cops should have tranquilizers for animals.

And for prior posts before this, I agree every cop is different. We are all human with very different attitudes, opinions, and personalities. There's no reason to put down all cops, everyone is their own person, no two people are exactly a like. Many people have had bad and good experiences with cops but it's not in our place to discriminate all of them based on our interactions with some of them. We must be open at mind and not be biased. ;)
My comment was about the shooting of the thief, not the dog.
 

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You know being a cop is more than having a big head, it is more than having authority, it is more than worrying if everyone likes you, when you do your job and do it right you can make many enemies. I deal with that crap every day of my life. And you can also make many long time friends.
When generalizations are made about cops, it seems most agree. When generalizations are made about anything else, including dog breeds......Many people stand up for themselves, their dogs, their families.

Well I am here to say,... I didn't marry a cop. I married a mason, you know concrete.... Well that mason took a pay cut to become a cop. He wanted to. He wanted to serve. He is now Sergeant and head of our k9 division. Hate dogs? I don't think so. Shoot dogs? Yes once. The dog had been hit by a car. No collar, No tags, and the owner couldn't be found with knocking on all the neighborhood doors. The dogs back was clearly broken in two. Could not lift his head, and his body looked like an L. But was still alive and quietly moaning. Nobody wanted to end this dogs suffering along the road.....So my husband did. Do I find that inhumane? No, I find that he did something he didn't want to do, but felt he had to so the dog wouldn't be in pain. Sometimes things and situations can be very different when you are there.
The general public doesn't see the kind of things an officer can/will have to put up with.

The time a person on a routine traffic stop...would not stop until he pulled into his own driveway...Pulled a gun and shot at my husband. Yes my husband shot him......in the shoulder, he ran into the backdoor and left his aggressive GSD out to attack my husband, before he passed out inside of his house. The GSD did try to attack my husband......Did this cop shoot the dog?
NO! He hit the dog in the head with the stock of his shotgun. The dog then retreated. Would I agree with shooting this dog? Under the circumstances YES. But he didn't do it. Did he make the news for not shooting the dog? No. .. Would he have made the news if he would have shot the dog? Probably. (Although he did make the news for the altercation with the person.)

As for tranqualizing an aggressive dog, instead of using your service weapon?
That is really not an option in most cases. I mean really....Do you think an officer is also supposed to carry a dart gun on his belt including everything else he/she is required to wear....that is just not an option. And when a dog aggresses there is really no time for.........Oh wait, just a minute dog...I need to retrieve my tranqualizer gun from my vehicle. :rolleyes: You do what you have to do in the moment........And I am not saying all cops are worthy or great role models.......BUT some are! I KNOW my husband would take a bullet for his family, for his fellow officers.....and even for a piece of trash on the street. That is just the way he is.
He does many demonstrations in local schools, his main objective is to make friends with the kids and undo the ideas that Some parents put into their children's heads. Which is really a sorry thing when parents instill the values that an officer is a bad thing.
Did you ever hear a parent say: "You better be good, or that cop will come and get you" Well that is my biggest pet peeve! Cops in general are not bad, it is values that are instilled in our children from parents that make them bad...... Unless of course you are a criminal.....then the laws and cops should be able to protect us from you. Not the other way around.

Anyway I am very proud of my husband......Here is just one picture from a demonstration. He has done about 90 in the last three years.... to children that could be just like yours..........

The children always seem very pleased to learn about Rocket, and how to protect themselves against predators. It is lighthearted and a fun experience... And yes a Cop even teaches them about dog care and a little dog training.
I just wish people would quit generalizing about cops..........That is one of the few professions that a generalization can get you killed.

I also don't care if you like me or my cop husband, but I do deserve some respect and the poster that would like to see my husband shot on tv in front of my family........[mod edit]
 
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I also don't care if you like me or my cop husband, but I do deserve some respect and the poster that would like to see my husband shot on tv in front of my family........
good for you, glad you have the rare "good cop", too bad he can't control his buddies who kick in people's doors and drop keys of coke on their living room floor then bust them and they go to prison for life. i know for a fact it happens.

too bad your good cop can't control his buddies when they start shooting people with rubber bullets for just coming out of a bar because it was closing time. it happened in Austin about 3 years ago. they shot little kids too that were out celebrating halloween with their parents on 6th street, the son's of gutless biznatches.

and i see how they act on the east side too, trying to throw people on the ground and push them around, is what happened when they shot 18 year old Daniel Rocha in June 2005, no i wasn't there but i know that area and cops are jackasses and i'd BET you that's exactly what happened that's why officer Schroeder's camera was off and her descriptoin didn't add up to why Daniel Rocha was shot in the BACK if he was attacking her like she said.

every time i hear about a cop dying in the line of duty, i wonder how far that cop had to push before someone snapped.

and as for defending yourself, i'd think less of you if you didn't.
 
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every time i hear about a cop dying in the line of duty, i wonder how far that cop had to push before someone snapped.
Yes, the world is SO good and everybody lives in peace and harmony....that's exactly why we need cops, too :rolleyes:
I think everyone here has said that there are bad and good cops...but to stereotype like the way you do...that's plain scary!

Your responses to someone whose husband is a cop is really disrespectful and downright rude. You are right, we don't need name calling from anyone and I am not saying that it was right. But to hope that cops get shot- that is horrible.

That's like saying that you are against the war and you hope that all service members who fight in it, die.

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I was a witness to a man using a stun gun on a dog. I don't know his skill with the stun gun or the strength of the stun gun. I do know it didn't even slow the dog down. If there would not have been someone to pull the dog off of the man he would not be around today. I can guarantee he will not ever take the chance on using a stun gun on a dog again.
 

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Sinnik, your name says it all. You have obviously had some bad experience with cops, or you just have a bad opinion about them without any experience. Get to know a cop on a personal level, it will change your view. One of my best friends is a cop. He's a good cop. My dog trainer is a K9 cop. Another good cop. Another friend of mine is a cop, he's good too. These 3 guys are all from different agencies too- state, county, local. I'd trust any one of them in any situation.

Are their bad ones out there who abuse their authority? Sure. They are looked down upon by the good cops and don't last long, at least here.

We don't know what the situation is with this cop, the criminal, or the dog. The papers always slant it one way or another. Our paper here is notorious for printing what they want and leaving important facts out so they can create sensational headlines and sell paper. Remember the adage- there are 3 sides to a story, your side, my side, and the truth.
 

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Remember the adage- there are 3 sides to a story, your side, my side, and the truth.
That is so true. I remember my dad telling me a story about news reporters interviewing him on a case and they told him that he'd be better off telling them the whole truth because if not they'd "just make it up."
 
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When it comes to police everyone is always going to have their own opinions. Sometimes some people don't even want to bother to try and get to know a cop bcuz of their many terrible experiences...we cannot change how someone feels about something/someone so it's just best to agree to disagree.
 
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I believe there are alot of cops that get a bad rap over shooting non-suspecting dogs. I know most cops out there are dog lovers and have to make judgement calls on matters to where their life may be on the line with dogs that want to knaw their arms off. I think in these situations, tazer guns would be appropriate, but killing is totally out of the picture unless the dog is old and extremely agressive.
 

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When it comes to police everyone is always going to have their own opinions. Sometimes some people don't even want to bother to try and get to know a cop bcuz of their many terrible experiences...we cannot change how someone feels about something/someone so it's just best to agree to disagree.
Let me re-write this using a different example.

When it comes to APBTs everyone is always going to have their own opinions. Sometimes some people don't even want to bother to try and get to know an APBT because of their many terrible experiences... we cannot change how someone feels about something/someone so it's just best to agree to disagree.

See how ignorant that statement is? Nobody here said that all cops are good. I made bad experiences with cops. So what.. I also made some good ones. Not to make generalizations is the key here. Otherwise you are just breeding hate and ignorance.
 

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It's the few that ruin the reputation of the many. I happen to know four law enforcement officers on a personal level. Of those four, three of them are level headed, down to earth, hard working family men who take a great deal of pride in what they do. All have been threatened with guns and knives many times, and one has taken a bullet.

One of them carries teddy bears in the trunk of his partol car to help comfort children when he responds to domestic violence calls. One volounteers in the Big Brother program. One is a GSD rescue volounteer. All are active members of the community when they are OUT of uniform, as well as in.

The fourth officer I know (incedently also a family member) is the one who ruins it for everybody. I can't stand talking to him because he acts like the highlight of his job is when he gets to rough somebody up.
 
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Let me re-write this using a different example.

When it comes to APBTs everyone is always going to have their own opinions. Sometimes some people don't even want to bother to try and get to know an APBT because of their many terrible experiences... we cannot change how someone feels about something/someone so it's just best to agree to disagree.

See how ignorant that statement is? Nobody here said that all cops are good. I made bad experiences with cops. So what.. I also made some good ones. Not to make generalizations is the key here. Otherwise you are just breeding hate and ignorance.
How is my statement stupid? It's my opinion, just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it stupid. And my statement was not referred to you so you did not have to reply. What I was saying is that not everyone is going to agree, so can we just leave it at that?? I brought up this discussion and now I'm gonna take myself out of it because it seems that some peoples ideas are clashing!!
 
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Let me re-write this using a different example.

When it comes to APBTs everyone is always going to have their own opinions. Sometimes some people don't even want to bother to try and get to know an APBT because of their many terrible experiences... we cannot change how someone feels about something/someone so it's just best to agree to disagree.

See how ignorant that statement is? Nobody here said that all cops are good. I made bad experiences with cops. So what.. I also made some good ones. Not to make generalizations is the key here. Otherwise you are just breeding hate and ignorance.
How is my statement stupid? It's my opinion, just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it stupid. And my statement was not referred to you so you did not have to reply. What I was saying is that not everyone is going to agree, so can we just leave it at that?? I brought up this discussion and now I'm gonna take myself out of it because it seems that some peoples ideas are clashing!!
 
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I personally believe that there are a few peices missing, in this post!

But again, I am biast due to my Son being a Police Service Officer!

Now the kid with the remote control, I will assume did not listen too instructions. All Officer's MUST state who they are, why they are there, to put the weapon down! He or she gives them ample time to obey! Now, if they do not, and the Officer feels his life is in danger, and or someone elses life is in danger! He has no choice but too pull his revolver, and shoot! Now he or she did not need to kill the kid! But it has happened. Remember, we all play a part in our drama.

Now as far as the second situation, again we do not know the whole situation, we hear of a guy getting pulled over and beaten up, but why was that? I again am not saying that it was right, but we are only hearing peices of the story. Now, as far as the dog is concerned, it jumped out of the car, and started too bark, Again put yourself in this positiion. The dog was shot, due to an aggressive, attack or assumed attack.

I am not making excuses, at all for anyone. I am just saying that we have heard the bad part of the situation, but have not heard, the spacific's of why it happened, or what were the curcomstances, that caused the situation!

I know my son has had to defend himself on may occaisions, I know all of his Officers would never cross the line! My son would eat them up alive, for acting out of contex!

I guess when you are a mother of a Police Officer, you know that nothing gets, over turned and over looked. All areas are to be secured, and documented. Sure you have a bunch of Good Cops then it takes one bad apple too, ruin it for them! Mind you that bad Cop will be repremanded!
Dismissed, with or with out pay. He will have to go up against the Police Board of Director's! If charges are assumed and or Placed on an Officer, he is in more trouble, than the a civilian that gets charged!

All, I am saying here, and this is a wise old lady, talking not a mother of a Cop. No matter the situation, there are always 3 sides to a story, Yours, mine and then the real truth!

So when we get out and start talking about stuff, we have to make sure that what we are saying can be backed up. What do I mean backed up, backed up with the truth. So since we were not there in either, situation we can not make a judgement call! We have to have facts, and not fiction, or exageration as my son would say!In a stern and grumpy way!
 

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How is my statement stupid? It's my opinion, just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it stupid. And my statement was not referred to you so you did not have to reply. What I was saying is that not everyone is going to agree, so can we just leave it at that?? I brought up this discussion and now I'm gonna take myself out of it because it seems that some peoples ideas are clashing!!
Okay... I did not say that your post was stupid. I said, I found it ignorant, because you generalize ALL cops based on your few experiences. I think it is sad that good people that are risking their lives are talked about like this. One bad cop does not make the whole police department evil, that was my point.
 
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I made bad experiences with cops. So what.. I also made some good ones. Not to make generalizations is the key here. Otherwise you are just breeding hate and ignorance.
Not to agree or disagree with either of you, but how are we supposed to ever have a conversation if the act of offering an opinion based on personal experience is considered inappropriate? There are opinions which clearly 'breed hate and ignorance,' - if you were to say that members of a particular gender or race were subhuman, for example. But saying that all women are bad drivers, or all Asians are smart, is not the same thing. Saying that all cops suck may not be accurate or fair, but it's not the extreme, unacceptable language some people seem to believe. Generalizations aren't hate language, and aren't inappropriate. They're the normal way people learn to get along in the world. We generalize that stovetops are hot, dogs are friendly, cats are aloof, etc. If every cop you've ever met is a jerk, maybe you live in an area with a rotten police force. Or maybe you're an adversarial twerp who always aggravates cops - either way, it's sensible to be wary of them. The stupid thing would be to disregard the evidence of your experience and senses in pursuit of fairness. Life isn't fair.
 

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