Horse Auction and Do-Gooder Rant....

sillysally

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So, we went to the Good Friday horse sale in Shipshawana. It was awesome weather, and there were tons of horses there, and most of them were going for cheap.

Like usual, they had their kill horse sale. For those that don't know, the slaughter and processing of horses for human consumption (you can still process them for zoo animal food) has been banned in the US for a couple of years now. However, there is no ban on the sale of horses for slaughter--all you have to do is ship them out of the country live.

If you go according to the numbers at this sale, this ban has not decreased the number of horses sold for slaughter at all. There were just as many horses going through, being sold and herded into separate pens for separate buyers--some destined for Canada and the really unlucky ones headed for Mexico (I won't go into the gory details of what one's last moments in a Mexican slaughter house are like). There USED to be a slaughter house in Illinois that processed horses, meaning that many of these horses' trips (where they generally are not fed or watered) would be a matter of hours rather than days and days. But, thanks to the do-gooders, no more.

Many of these horses have obvious injures of some sort, but many appear completely healthy and sociable. There was what looked like a saddlebred mare that I'm sure was pregnant. The saddest sight was a very young black horse--no more than 6 months to a year old, that was being sold for kill. The horse appeared healthy and was in good weight, although it was caked with mud and feces. it was halter broke and was tied up (and staying tied up) with only baling twine, so it could not have been feral. Unfortunately we have absolutely no room at the inn--otherwise I would have brought him home if only to clean him up and resell him. At least he'd have a shot then...

I just don't get it. 60,000 to 100,000 horses were slaughtered in the US each year--these horses are not being bred for slaughter. They are extra, unwanted horses. What did the anti-slaughter people think was going to happen to those horses--that rescues were going to absorb them? That somehow people were going to suddenly have a change of heart and keep or euth every old, injured, or otherwise damaged horses they came to own? It would be nice but it's just not realistic, especially in this economy. Most horse rescues, at least around here, are filled to the brim. In some places people are just abandoning their horses. There have been ads in the papers for people giving away horses. Decant horses at the sale were going for less than $300.

Yes, the thought of a horse going through a slaughter house makes me very sad, but what is even more sad is the thought of these horses being transported WAY farther than they have to and their suffering only being prolonged.

And for what? So we can all hold hands and feel good and say "Well at least it's not happening on our soil!" Ugh....."The road to Hell......"
 

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That really is awful :(

I imagine the trips all the way to Mexico must be horrible, once they are sold, can't they just be killed here and then frozen or w/e and brought over? It sucks regardless but atleast their suffering isn't prolonged for that long long trip just to be killed there..

I know zero about horses.. I wish I could just take one in and keep it in my backyard or something. for $300 I would be pretty tempted.
 

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I read the fuglyblog everyday and the slaughter situation over there is really sad.

We do have some horse slaughterhouses here but the probelm just isn't as out of control as it is there, the only horses I think go through are the old and lame ones. Not saying I agree with that end but even our rescues are only picking up old and lame horses, there just isn't the massive "unwanted useable horse" problem here.

I still hate the add that runs in our local paper every week, its simple, just "dogger horses wanted. call xxxx xxx xxx"

The backyard breeder strikes again. Slaughter is just a symptom of the overall problem.
 

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As grotesque as it is to think about at least there is an outlet for the mass production of horses. I'd rather them go to slaughter and finally meet their end then be starved and neglected over a prolonged period of time.

This is why when I get a horse it's treated the same as a dog. It stays in the family till death do you part. My mom has my two childhood horses which I am so grateful about. One is 32 and looking good. The other is 18 with cancer. It's a comfort to know they are going to have a place where they are treated well to their dying day.
 

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It is sad. I love horses but am pro slaugter, as long as its humane!! That is the issue with most slaughter facilities, they were designed for cows not horses.

Any animal we eat deserves a humane end. I don't understand all the 'stop the horse slaughter' from people who eat beef. I can tell you cows are just as domesticated and nice an animal as horses, they have their own personalities etc. (I spent some time in my younger days working on a few dairy farms)

There are stories now of horses just being turned loose...
 

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Amen Dekka. I am a huge cow lover. That's how I got into riding horses actually. My mom told me I wasn't allowed a pet cow. :p

I'm grateful there is at least somewhere to end these poor animals lives. Beats what happens to a lot of cats and dogs. Being set loose to figure it out themselves. Poor guys.
 

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Any animal we eat deserves a humane end. I don't understand all the 'stop the horse slaughter' from people who eat beef. I can tell you cows are just as domesticated and nice an animal as horses, they have their own personalities etc. (I spent some time in my younger days working on a few dairy farms)
Yes! I really, really do not understand the "slaughter is a-ok for cows but not for horses because cows were bred for it" mentality. No creature deserves to suffer just because it was bred for eating. My grandpa used to raise beef cattle and just like horses, they have their own personalities, etc. I don't see why my horse is more deserving of a humane death than a steer is. There's a horse board that I used to frequent that i just stopped going to because the "horses are not livestock and the rescues can save them all" mentality. It's just completely out of touch with the reality of the situation.

We do have a crazy BYB problem in the US with horses. The "horse culture" seems a lot more accepting of people breeding horses simply because they can than "dog culture" does. I'm not going to tell people what to do with their animals, but if you're going to breed, why not do it right?

The racing industry is a big producer too, especially harness racing. OTT harness racing horses really only seem to be of value to the Amish. Even though they are fantastic horses, people seem to have many misconceptions about them, and therefore if they don't make it into a rescue or breeding program after their career is over they often go for dirt cheap. A couple years ago one harness racing track downstate was actually just giving 200 horses away that they were unable to sell.

OK, I'll stop typing now--this is just a subject that always really gets me.....
 

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there is supposed to still be one slaughterhouse in the USA, but it provides meat for the zoo & exotic pet industry. remember ib the USA safety & liability are big issues so slaughter that doesn't consistantly result in a quick kill is a serious business risk that isn't tolerated like the petaphiles would have you believe. also they have been outed many time for purposely maltreating animals so they could make their "undercover videos." I know a very well respected dog trainer & behavioral therapist that left the AR movement BECAUSE of the abuse they inflicted on animals for the sake of "saving" them.
when i'm better set up, i'll be going to the kill auctions for dog food but will also make myself a steak from time to time.
 

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Great thread and good points. The whole mindset of not wanting blood on one's hands (but not caring if the suffering is still going to happen as a result) is so prevalent...not to open up a can of worms but I have the same problem with areas that just have no-kill shelters...the truly no-kill shelters end up packed with unadoptables who are sentenced to life in a shelter facility, and the stray/feral population skyrockets as people who want to get rid of their pets have no place to bring them so they just abandon them.
 

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I am with you.

Instead of banning slaughter and ultimately ensuring these horses an even more cruel and painful and miserable end to their lives, all the do-gooders shoud've pushed for stricter slaughter laws and regulations and helped to offer ideas and alternatives to solve the negative issues surrounding horse slaughter.

I get flooded with letters in the mail about signing this and that to keep horse slaughter banned and whatnot, but never have I signed or endorsed such and never will I.
 

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when i'm better set up, i'll be going to the kill auctions for dog food but will also make myself a steak from time to time.
Seeing the amount of crap put on and in horses on a daily basis, you couldn't pay me enough to feed that to myself or my dogs. Granted, a lot of the horses that wind up in that situation haven't had enormous amounts of care, but some have. My horse has had anabolic steroids, female hormones, NSAIDs and frequent injections for joint aid. Tons of fly repellent, dewormers, antibiotics and chemicals to treat skin issues. Just about everything that touches him comes with a "not for use in horses intended for food" label. It makes the hormones used in cows look very benign.
 

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Im a "dont want blood on my hand" person when it comes to a point.

Like I could never buy a horse at an auction INTENDING on feeding him to my dog.. lol Id get attached! I know myself.. First I would name it.. and then it would all be over lol
 

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I used to be one who thought horse slaughter was horrible, and that horses were somehow "better" than cows. Until I helped raise an orphaned calf and fell in love with him.
Everybody fell in love with Sunday. Bottle feeding him made my heart so warm until he got a lot bigger and would headbutt my stomach with a LOT of force. :p
I love horses. I've worked with them a lot and I hope one day I can have my own.

Anyway, I now agree with Paige and Miakoda.
The horses who are sent for slaughter are those who are "unwanted." I'd rather them have a quick end than be neglected for years and die a long, drawn out and painful death.
There are not enough places for all those horses to go. If slaughter was regulated and more humane, I'd compare it to euthanasia in shelters. (Though that's not always humane of course, think killing them by gas.) I despise that those animals have to die, that they most often don't find homes. I hate it. It breaks my heart. But can you imagine how many homeless dogs there would be if no shelter dog was ever euthanized?
Kind of the same with horses. There just aren't enough rescues in the country they can go.

God, writing this post makes me so sad.
 
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Any animal we eat deserves a humane end.
One way to ensure that ^^^ (at least on a personal level) is to only buy kosher meat. (Should say "certified kosher" and have the kosher seal; one need not be Jewish to buy kosher meat.) "Kosher" loosely translates as "clean" but has many rules, including that the animal must be well-treated and slaughter must be quick and painless.

I do agree that many of the "do-gooders" are misguided in that some of the things they lobby against do NOT stop. They just get moved elsewhere and so do the animals subjected to poor treatment and inhumane slaughter. :rolleyes:
 

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I've had two connections ~ one good , one sad . One of our early trainers had her beautiful horse go lame with no hope of recovery . She couldn't afford putting him down and have him removed so he went to auction . I loved this horse and have never forgiven her . My happy story when looking for youngest daughter's pony , the one we went to see was lame . We asked if they had any others to look at / well there was Peanut who was off to auction the next day . Long story short Peanut became our Charlie Brown and with a lot of work became an Indiana State Champion !
 

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Oh this topic just gets me going! I am an avid horse lover and long time owner. My horses are my family and I love them to pieces...that being said, I have sent horses to auction with the belief they would go to slaughter. The sad reality is that our market is flooded and we need an outlet for all the excess horses. Some say placing breeding regulations or stopping back yard breeders will solve the slaughter issue, but I think its fair to say that is an impossible task. Really, I think people should be looking at the real issues of slaughter: transportation and the overall well being of the animal. I applaude Canada for keeping horse slaughter plants open and taking steps to improve the industry. Our new transportation regulations and the newly imposed drugs regulations are all very positive in my opinion. Whether we like it or not, horses are still classified as Livestock, lots of people eat horse on regular basis (and yes I have tried it, just to say I tried it).

One way to ensure that ^^^ (at least on a personal level) is to only buy kosher meat. (Should say "certified kosher" and have the kosher seal; one need not be Jewish to buy kosher meat.) "Kosher" loosely translates as "clean" but has many rules, including that the animal must be well-treated and slaughter must be quick and painless.
Too bad so many people don't care if it is Kosher or not. Our Kosher certified facility was recently closed because the general public thought that we shouldn't slaughter horses and lobbied to have it closed. Very sad since it was a beautifully run facility.
 
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Too bad so many people don't care if it is Kosher or not. Our Kosher certified facility was recently closed because the general public thought that we shouldn't slaughter horses and lobbied to have it closed. Very sad since it was a beautifully run facility.
You're absolutely right ... some don't care if kosher or not. I should have clarified though ... I was actually referring to kosher beef. :)

Dekka had mentioned (rightly so) about the many people who protest horse slaughter but don't seem to have any problem with cows being slaughtered for their beef. She said (again, rightly so) that ALL animals used for food should be humanely slaughtered. I have never purchased horse meat, kosher or not, but do purchase kosher beef. (Not because I have any ethical issues with horse meat ... just no use for it.)

That's really sad the kosher certified facility near you was closed. :(
Kosher facilities DO use humane slaughter and are VERY clean. (Which is another reason to buy kosher meat ... it's not contaminated with fecal material and sick animals are NOT considered fit for consumption. The sick ones are just humanely put down.) Sounds like it's more like what Dekka said ... people have problems with horses being slaughtered but not cows being similarly slaughtered.
 

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