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Congrats! Let me assure you, you're not crazy. :) My family has two great danes and three miniature australian shepherds in our tiny three bedroom farmhouse, and we cope just fine!

Our miniature australian shepherds are also crate trained. They have been left in their crates for up to 10 hours a day - not regularly but occasionally, as we all work at least an hour from home. They do not resent their crates, they are their safe places, their sleeping holes, etc. My year old, Morrie is particularly destructive with his teeth at this point in time so if we did not crate him, we'd be suffering several thousand dollars in damage (seriously, the dog chews anything and everything, got into my younger sister's school supplies and ate a bag of PENS - no food motivation!). Who knows if he will grow out of his chewing stage? Even so, he will continue to live in his crate at night and while we are away. I don't feel I am being cruel to him or neglecting him in any way shape or form, rather feel like I am protecting him from things he could swallow if he was unsupervised and loose. Would hate to come home and find him with something lodged in his throat!!! He gets regular exercise - and I think that is key if your dog is living in a crate for a large part of the day -- you can't just bring him out and let him loaf around the house if he's going to be cooped up that long per day. Morrie has agility classes once a week and we "train" at home three-four times a week additionally, and he has full range of about 60 acres of land. A little excessive - don't think you need to move and find yourself a bigger spread in order to keep your dog in a crate!!!

Truthfully, I wish our danes were crate trained for safety and transportation purposes (not that they would sleep in them, my elder dane does well on the "other side" of my double bed!), but I didn't start them young and so I'd be afraid of them hurting themselves in a crate.

Anyhow, babbled on! Congrats on your new family member, stick around you can learn lots here!
 

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Thanks everyone for your replies. We already love Lokey so much. He is such a great, calm dog. I am so proud to have him in our family. Just a few more questions
The baking soda sounds like a good idea. What do I mix it with?
THe dog food, what kind is best?
Tomorrow he goes to the vet and I am a little nervous for him. I have a list of questions for the vet for my husband to ask (he probably thinks I am crazy)
Does that spray that is supposed to keep dogs off of furniture really work?
ANd, is it true that dogs won't potty where they sleep? I figured that might be why he poopood in my son's bedroom. It was the farthest open place away from his bed.
Again, thanks. We are having so much fun. My kids are learning some responsibility as am I.
Glad to hear that you are enjoying your new dog.

As far as the food goes, don't buy what your vet recommends!!! Vets are good at a lot of things, nutrition is generally not one of them. They are educated on nutrition by the company reps of the food they sell. They have incentives to sell certain foods and will probably recommend one to you.

Some good brands to check out are:
www.naturapet.com
www.eaglepack.com
www.naturesvariety.com
www.timberwolforganics.com
www.breederschoice.com
www.naturalbalanceinc.com
www.canidae.com

These foods will be more expensive, but you feed less, so in the end you actually save money and your dog benefits more from the food.

Dogs generally don't like to soil where they sleep, unless they have been forced to and are used to doing so.

I have never heard of a spray to keep pets off furniture. There are sprays to help prevent chewing, but the animal has to chew to taste it and some dogs are not bothered by it. Best thing to do is to train him to stay off the furniture.
 
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Large dogs in the house? :D I live with a German Shepherd - he's the small dog - and the Riot Grrrrls, a pair of Fila Brasilieros, a bit over 120 pounds each :D

You've already gotten excellent advice and believe me, it will keep coming. All you have to do is ask :)
 

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I have to tell you though, I find those Filas realllllly awesome dogs. I find myself looking at photos of them more than I care to admit. Unfortunately, there is no way on earth I could ever have one with my skill level.
 

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So you got Lokey on one day and found this board the very next to ask your questions. With an attitude like that I reckon Lokey is going to be just fine. Kids too! I bet the big lug is in heaven. :)

Of course, you could have been better prepared but hey ... nobody ever thinks of everything. Did you try the baking soda thing? Here we call it Bicarbonate of Soda and it works for everyhting from human indigestion and nappy rash to cleaning stains of the bath. Just use it dry, sprinkle it on and brush it through.

The toilet training - it sounds like he may have had that down until he landed in the shelter. With living in the shelter for three weeks, a move to a new house, different food and all the excitement plus diarrhoea it would have been hard to contain himself all night. How's he been about that since?

How did you get on at the vet and where are the PICCIES?
 
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I would for SURE get a crate. That will insure the safety of your dog, as well as your home.

Also, it is VERY important that you take him to training. Training is key, especially with a shelter dog because who knows that bad habits they could have? (like breaking blindes and pooping in the house!)
It also heightens the bonding experience.

Please so NOT use human shampoo on a dog. Try www.sheapet.com
They have EXCELLENT shampoos that are great for the dogs skin, and smell good too! Labs and Shar Pei's are notorious for skin problems. I would be very careful frequently bathing. However, if you try the shampoo's I suggested, I think you should be ok. I bathe my dog 1-2 times a WEEK via my dogs Dermatologist!

IMO, Pedigree is AWFUL, poor quality, food. Try something more wholesome, like Innova, Innova EVO, Neutro, Natural Balance, etc.


Congrats on adopting a shelter dog!!!! :hail: I give you a BIG thumbs up. You, as well as any other adopter, deserve a medal! :D :lol-sign:
 
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HI and your not Stupid.. your learning :)

I own 2 big breeds.. a Irish Wolfhound and a Saint Bernard.

Both of my dogs are inside and outside dogs.

Binn my IW is an inside dog. Stella my Saint B is my inside/outside dog.

Stella spends her days outside in the backyard but comes in at night.

Crating would be a good idea and maybe obedience school for your new pup?

May I ask what breed it is?

Good Luck :)
 

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Crates are a wonderful thing... you have to look at it from the dog's POV - dogs are den animals, they like cozy, warm, enclosed spaces that htey can cuddle up in and feel *safe* - my dogs are happily crate trained, and they love their crates. Both of my dogs will voluntarily go to their crates if they want some "alone time", and my younger one actually chooses to sleep in his crate - I have big, sofy, cushy beds all over the house, and yet he chooses to go into his crate and burrow under his blankets.

I pile the blankets into their crates - IMO this gives the crate a more "den'like" feel. Both dogs will then arrange their blankets the way they like them, usually in a tiny "cocoon" that they burrow into - not the prettiest sight, but they love it.

I disagree that crates are "cupboards" to put dogs into when you're not palying with them. Dishes and brooms aren't animate, they don't have instincts and emotions. Dogs, however, do - they like to feel safe, and they like to have a space that is theirs and theirs alone... their natural instinct is to find a cozy, dark place and hunker down - either with a stuffie, or a bone, or simply just to take a nap... and the crate is the best place for this. The crate is a space that belongs to the dog, and no one else - it's their guaranteed "happy place" and safe haven...

... unless the owner teaches the dog that a crate is a bad place. I have found that most people who hate crates have misused one, or have seen one misused.
 

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I disagree that crates are "cupboards" to put dogs into when you're not palying with them. Dishes and brooms aren't animate, they don't have instincts and emotions. Dogs, however, do - they like to feel safe, and they like to have a space that is theirs and theirs alone... their natural instinct is to find a cozy, dark place and hunker down - either with a stuffie, or a bone, or simply just to take a nap... and the crate is the best place for this. The crate is a space that belongs to the dog, and no one else - it's their guaranteed "happy place" and safe haven...
That will be my comment.

Yes - crate can = happy place... but imagine being confined to your "happy place" for 8 or 10 hours a day... and then back again for another 8 hours overnight.

I'm sorry - but that is just awful.... If you want a caged animal - get a hamster, go to the zoo...

If you want a dog - make allowances for it's need to be able to MOVE around during the day...

I work full time. But there is NO way I would leave any dog in a crate all day. If I had issues with destruction, I would be thinking about solving the seperation anxiety... Confining a dog does not make the problem go away - it just stops the dog relieving the anxiety by destroying something...

I don't agree with crating for long periods.. I personally think it is cruel :(

Crating for short periods, or overnight, as a puppy as an aid to training is one thing. Crating for convinence, and a means to save your house is totally unnacceptable :(


*edit - I tell a lie - i don't work full time anymore. I DID work full time*
 
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First, thanks SO much for adopting :)

Secondly, I promised myself although I volunteer at my local shelter I wouldnt adopt a dog. Well, I adopted a GSD pupper back in June, it took me 2weeks to get the smell off of him, so I understand where you are comming from. I had fosters from the shelter before but this guy stunk something awful. From my experience it just takes time to get the smell off of him. You might ask the vet if they can bathe him there with some sort of special shampoo (it might be too late now??) that makes him less stinky. Also, be mindful that you cant bathe him for a couple days after he gets fixed...

Pictures?
 
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Crating=safety.

Before I believed in crating, one of my dogs got into his phenobarbital (he is epileptic) not sure how/why he did it but he almost died & I ended up with a fat vet bill. (actually 3 of them)
 

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This is how much my dogs' hate their crates...;) Notice that there are two in the crate and THEY put themselves in there!

If crating is made to be positive, it is a very safe and useful training aid, not to mention your dog's own personal space.
 

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I am not saying dogs hate crates.

I am saying I think it is obscene to crate a dog for 16 hours PLUS a day.
 
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I am not saying dogs hate crates.

I am saying I think it is obscene to crate a dog for 16 hours PLUS a day.
You are SO right. I didn't realize they said the dog would be alone that long.

Personally, I think it's cruel. I take my dog to work with me, everywhere I can unless I'm going somewhere with a friend and can't bring her with me, that's the ONLY time she's crated. (Although, I KNOW not everyone can bring their dogs to work, I'm just making a point)

It's my opinion that if you get a new dog, whether a puppy or an adult, you should have the time to get them settled into their new home. It's your responsability to care for that dog as much as you can, and only being home a few hours a day isn't fair to the dog, and can cause a lot of peoblems later on down the road
 
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Congrats on your new family addition.

I find this website the best for learning about and comparing dog foods.

http://www.doberdogs.com/

I agree, those over-the-counter flea and tick meds not only do not work as well as prescribed medications but can be problematic.

Cole's Mom
 
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I am having so much fun looking at all your pics. I will post some later today I promise!!!!!!!!! I don't even have my baby. He is still at the vet until after lunch. I called to check on him yesterday and they said he is fine. I cannot wait to get him. I am off of work the next three days so I can watch him extra close.

I obviously caused some debate on crating or not. Everyone obviously loves their animals. I still am unsure of what to do. That is one of the questions for the vet that I have when I pick him up. Where to get a crate? I live in hick town texas and we have a walmart and agmart or a tractor supply. No petco or costco! Everyone thanks for the advice.

We have already looked into dog obedience classes for Lokey. He does need a little help, otherwise he is perfect! He did have a serious diarrhea poop sunday night and it still stinks, so I am off to Walmart for something and some baking soda!!!
 
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I bought some dog pads. I am going to try that first. I believe that if all else fails, Lokey can be indoor/outdoor. I am going to give us all a few weeks. I get to pick him up in a little over two hours!!!!
 

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