Hi From Joel Silverman from ANIMAL PLANET'S "GOOD DOG U"

[JoelSilverman]

Breeders

The idea of going through the paper is to help you identify who is who.

If it is a show breeder that advertises in the paper, I would classify them as a "B" breeder. All we are saying is that if you want to make a living doing what you are doing, and advertise and sell dogs to the public in our community, then it is going to cost you. By the way, I would also charge the "B' breeder an annual license fee, and the "A" breeder would be exempt.

You would probably not find the substandard breeder because the paper is where you would find them.

Because of the uniqueness of what they do, and if they can show that they are not selling to general public to make money, I would make the trial breeder exempt.

All we are doing by using the paper is sorting and finding out who is who. There would be many exemptions.

Again this would only be for the specific breed that you are having such an overpopulation with in that specific city

 

[Baxter'smybaby]

welcome this is a very passionate crew! Hang on--it's a wild ride.

 

[corgipower]

You DID bring your hard hat and cup with you didn't you Joel?:rofl1::rofl1:

LMAO!!

Joel, I promise ya, my bark is worse than my bite. I have watched and enjoyed you TV show. I don't get to see it often because I don't have animal planet where I live.

There are certain phrases that kind of hit me. I'm very involved in fighting the AR movement.

While you're checking out the breeding section, you also might want to read up in the news section and get a better idea of what's going on in terms of MSN and BSL.

 

[xpaeanx]

So you would have someone handpick who get's "singled out" based on their breed, and where they advertise?

 

[Zoom]

If you were only targeting breeds that were "overpopulated" at the time, wouldn't you then set up a running cycle? By cracking down on one breed, the people who are doing this for selfish gain would then move on to another breed. And then another. Then another. This would create a difference in the types of dogs being overcrowded at the shelter, but most likely wouldn't do much to cut down on the overall numbers.

 

[JoelSilverman]

Having fun!!

Hey.. I am here to answer questions.. everyone has an idea when it comes to animals, and I respect that. That's what makes it so fun!!! I am so surprised no one yet has asked me about the "other guy".

 

[Zoom]

Do a search and you'll find out why. :rofl1:

 

[JoelSilverman]

Overpopulation

Based on what I have seen, breeders stay with one or two breeds. If you can enforce a law like this I truly believe they will eventually leave.

 

[xpaeanx]

I think it you are going to enforce a law it should be across the board.

 

[JoelSilverman]

Read the earlier posts

Read the earlier posts.. She said in an imaginary city if you knew there were labs or a specific breed that were overpopulating the area, what would you do? This is what I mentioned I would do in a smaller city or town.

 

[xpaeanx]

Read the earlier posts.. She said in an imaginary city if you knew there were labs or a specific breed that were overpopulating the area, what would you do? This is what I mentioned I would do in a smaller city or town.

yes... a specific breed. you're targeting a breed. IMO that's wrong. If you are going to make a law, it needs to be across the board. You can't cherry pick things, and you can't go based on who advertises where. If you think there should be a law that enforces breeding permits then that's great. If you are going to base who can get these permits based on breed, that's crap. The people who are the problem with just pick a different breed. And, IMO that's the beginning of BSL. It needs to be across the board.

 

[JoelSilverman]

That would be great

You are right. In a perfect world it would be great to go after all of the breeders. But you have to give yourself a shot, and chance to enforce it. The law they passed here in the city of Los Angeles is a perfect example. The can't enforce it.

 

[xpaeanx]

You are right. In a perfect world it would be great to go after all of the breeders. But you have to give yourself a shot, and chance to enforce it. The law they passed here in the city of Los Angeles is a perfect example. The can't enforce it.

but ganging up on one breed is easily enforced? no it's not. the people who you're trying to stop breeding will either A) breed under the radar or B) pick a breed that currently doesn't require a permit.

 

[Angelique]

Hey Joel!

I saw your post in the "Clicker 101" sticky, and was wondering if it was really you.

Welcome! I've enjoyed your show (...and also the "other" guy's. )

I'm glad you joined. Dog boards are a great way to share your views and experiences. The debates are always fun too.

 

[JoelSilverman]

However, my idea has always been to make it split up into "A" and "B" breeders of all breeds ... but there is lot of enforcement that would need to be set up. So let's do the next best thing.. educate the new pet owner... and prospective new pet owner on where to get a new pet. And let's reduce the amount of pets returned back to shelters, humane societies, and rescue groups. That is my mission!!

 

[JoelSilverman]

Clicker Training

Did you like my take on the clicker training?

 

[xpaeanx]

However, my idea has always been to make it split up into "A" and "B" breeders of all breeds ... but there is lot of enforcement that would need to be set up. So let's do the next best thing.. educate the new pet owner... and prospective new pet owner on where to get a new pet. And let's reduce the amount of pets returned back to shelters, humane societies, and rescue groups. That is my mission!!

everyone on this board is already doing that...


and if you split people up into A and B breeders based on things like where they advertise... watch how fast your butt will be in a courtroom.

 

[JoelSilverman]

Don't mean to change the subject, but I don't know if you know that I started as a killer whale trainer at Sea World many years ago. I just recently added me riding the killer whales to the photo galleries on my site.

Just click on photo galleries...

 

[dr2little]

I think that your idea on clicker training with respect to training dogs is flawed as clickers or other reward markers just are not used like they are in Zoo training for the most part.

A reward marker in dog training is used for a very short period of time during the initial stages of learning, to revisit a lagging behavior or to re-engage a dog who needs a behavior boost.

In zoo training, the clicker/whistle (or whatever reward marker is chosen for a specific breed) is used for a much longer period of time...for some behaviors it is never faded.

 

[Angelique]

Did you like my take on the clicker training?

I like your perspective of using a marker as a form of communication (social learning) in addition to using it in a strictly OC sense.

I live where I can see resident orca pods in Puget Sound. But dang it! How awesome to actually work and swim with them and study their minds and behaviors.

Lucky dog!