Hey Guys Guess What? I Run a Puppymill

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Well, maybe they thought that cause instead of calling them mixes like they are, you gave them a designer name...
 

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Well, maybe they thought that cause instead of calling them mixes like they are, you gave them a designer name...
Hey, I was going to say that! :mad:


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Plus, in the description of the video you write it like you bred them on purpose. I don't blame those people for thinking your running a puppymill, or at least a BYB.
 

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Well, maybe they thought that cause instead of calling them mixes like they are, you gave them a designer name...
Its shorter than having your title be shih tzu x poodle pups, ect, ect. I sure they seen other shih poo puppies videos on youtube, but b/c of the number of dogs I have or whatever [maybe because I have so much videos uploaded of them too] they want to judge. I don't know? I wouldn't think because someone has desinger breeds that makes them a puppymiller, maybe a byb, but puppymiller is far stretched.
 

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Its shorter than having your title be shih tzu x poodle pups, ect, ect. I sure they seen other shih poo puppies videos on youtube, but b/c of the number of dogs I have or whatever [maybe because I have so much videos uploaded of them too] they want to judge. I don't know? I wouldn't think because someone has desinger breeds that makes them a puppymiller, maybe a byb, but puppymiller is far stretched.
erm, it's not that much typing at all. Or just call them "puppies" or "poodlex puppies" or shih tzu Mix puppies."

Yeah, maybe with seeing only those few dogs a puppy miller is a bit of a stretch, but I'd def. think you where a BYB or Dog hoarder at the very least if I just saw your videos and your description.

**Edit** That's my honest opinion, if I JUST saw your videos. Because they do sound like an intentional breeding with all that you wrote, including title, on that video.
 

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erm, it's not that much typing at all. Or just call them "puppies" or "poodlex puppies" or shih tzu Mix puppies."

Yeah, maybe with seeing only those few dogs a puppy miller is a bit of a stretch, but I'd def. think you where a BYB or Dog hoarder at the very least if I just saw your videos and your description.
I guess I'll have to explain the whole history on the pups more, I can see that being a problem. But a dog hoarder? Is my room really that messy? I don't think my dogs look neglected either. I don't think just b/c you own x amount of dogs, makes you a hoarder.

Dog hoarding (also called collecting) is the collection and mistreatment of large numbers of dogs. A family with more canine friends than the average home is not necessarily guilty of hoarding. Hoarding happens when there are so many dogs, adequate care cannot be given. The out-of-control population leads to suffering of the animals and even the humans living with them.

The home of hoarded dogs has disgusting, unsafe living conditions. In many circumstances, much of the home is covered in waste and even decaying, canine corpses. It is not uncommon to find piles of feces several inches thick in some places of the home. The urine-soaked floorboards may even be rotting through. The ammonia levels in a hoarder's house are so high, the air is unfit to breathe. Protective masks and suits are often worn when evacuating the pets from these houses.

Because the large population cannot be afforded and maintained, proper nutrition, cleanliness, and veterinary care are sacrificed. As a result, the dogs are ill and starved. Lack of vaccinations and parasite protection allow disease, fleas, heartworms, etc. to run rampant through the population. These dogs are usually only fed a sparse diet of a cheap dog food or some scraps of human food here and there. Death is quite common in the hoarded canine community, and the surviving dogs are left to live amongst the decaying remains of the victims.

Hoarders are most commonly single women who are middle-aged to elderly. However, anyone of any sex, age, or class can be a hoarder. Often it is a person who seems healthy and "normal" outside of their home. Hoarders work hard to keep their large number of pets a secret [youtube?], for they fear having their pets confiscated if anyone knows the truth. Mental illness, especially obsessive-compulsive disorder, is a common affliction of animal collectors.
 

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I said if I only saw the videos. -_- NOT what I necesarily think of you or your dogs. That's what I'd think if I ONLY saw the video and description you wrote. -_- Calm down.
 

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erm, it's not that much typing at all. Or just call them "puppies" or "poodlex puppies" or shih tzu Mix puppies."

Yeah, maybe with seeing only those few dogs a puppy miller is a bit of a stretch, but I'd def. think you where a BYB or Dog hoarder at the very least if I just saw your videos and your description.

**Edit** That's my honest opinion, if I JUST saw your videos. Because they do sound like an intentional breeding with all that you wrote, including title, on that video.

I'll try to edit some of the videos [where it says princess and lucky's litter] and my description as well. Hopefully that would clear some things up. I just wanted to keep it simple and not go into the whole history, since I posted the videos to share with people I know who already know my dogs, and know what happened. But I now see saying its an oops litter comes into play for the fellow youtube surfers. But ugh the whole ''puppymill'' comment to me was a bit offensive and extreme. I could completely understand byb though.
 

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I said if I only saw the videos. -_- NOT what I necesarily think of you or your dogs. That's what I'd think if I ONLY saw the video and description you wrote. -_- Calm down.
I know, I know ;)....I was just saying why would someone think a hoarder?
 
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You know the truth that is all that matters.

I understand that the comments upset you but people say mean things sometimes... ((Hugs))
 

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You know the truth that is all that matters.

I understand that the comments upset you but people say mean things sometimes... ((Hugs))
Thanks. Thats why I didn't bother with saying the whole background. It really shouldn't be anyone elses business, but mines. If they wanted to know they could of messaged me asking why do I have so much dogs and asked, not write some offensive comment and assumed something. I could understand something ''why do you have so much dogs/puppies?'', but the way they wrote it was in a form of attacking me. I'm adding [accidental litter] to most the videos now, just in case someone wants to say I'm doing some sort of ill-pratice.
 
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haven't read the entire thread, but...

I don't blame anyone for thinking you are a puppy mill. The fact that you gave the pups a designer breed name makes me kinda sick to tell you the truth. You should have called them mixes. No such thing as a shih poo anyway, lol.

I also think Ooops litters dont happen if the owners are REALLY responsible, but thats just me.

Not trying to be mean. Its just how I personally feel. :)
 

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haven't read the entire thread, but...

I don't blame anyone for thinking you are a puppy mill. The fact that you gave the pups a designer breed name makes me kinda sick to tell you the truth. You should have called them mixes. No such thing as a shih poo anyway, lol.

I also think Ooops litters dont happen if the owners are REALLY responsible, but thats just me.

Not trying to be mean. Its just how I personally feel. :)
Its ok ;). I never said I wasn't to blame. I am responsible for what happened, they shouldn't of been supervised. But saying I'm a puppymill? Its not like I intentionally bred the dogs. I could although see someone say byb. Neither is good, but puppymill is extreme for someone who has puppies up on a youtube video.

The whole name calling thing? I don't see much wrong with it? Some people say its ''supporting'' them, by just calling them that. But I don't know in this day and time, around here anyways most people refer to them as uggles, poos, doodles, ect. Even if they weren't bred to be one, it could of just been a mix from a shelter. Which sometime it works out for the benefit of shetler dogs, instead of calling them mixes.

I've always called Princess ''shih poo''...usually with '''...sometimes not. Depends on the people I'm talking to. Some people accept the names, some don't. But I try to refrain using it in places where its not too much accepted in. You see now I say shih tzu mix in my posts for Princess.

I just don't see the harm in saying ''I own a cockapoo'' or '''puggle''.....its not like if saying I breed them/support the breeding.

I see it the way people shorten purebreeds like gsd, doxie, ect why not mixes?....but thats just imo. People know what you're talking about. If I see someone post pic of their puggle x beagle mix....I'll say what a cute puggle. I see it sometime when people ask to id their dogs, some people will say that it looks like a schnoodle , or whatever. Even though they aren't breeds, you can tell what they are. I'm usually the minority on this subject about calling them those names on most dog forums, so I don't use them much. But on youtube, as for tags, ect I just put 'shih poo'.

On one forum I put my ''shih tzu x poodle'' and got a response saying ''hey I own a shihpoo too.'' So whether you use it or don't, people are going to call them what they want.

I say what's in a name
? Even if you search them on dogbreedinfo.com, they have them listed, but they tell you they're mixes, not purebreeds.
 
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Well, a puppy mill is definitely a lot different than a BYB, so I see your point there. I dont see where they got "puppy mill" from your video really.

I call my chihuahua/min pin mix a chi mix. Not a chi pin or something like that just because I dont want people thinking that she is a designer breed, but I'm just picky and particular about that, lol.
 

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Well, a puppy mill is definitely a lot different than a BYB, so I see your point there. I dont see where they got "puppy mill" from your video really.

I call my chihuahua/min pin mix a chi mix. Not a chi pin or something like that just because I dont want people thinking that she is a designer breed, but I'm just picky and particular about that, lol.
I got'cha ;) I never heard of a chi pin before though. But I guess because not many people use the name....soo I see where 'wearing it out' can play in boom of ''your dog is so cute, ooh I want a chi pin'' phase. But for the common ones anyways, people are going to get them if they really want to, since they're so popular now.

I just try my best to discourge one from purchasing one, unless of course its a shelter dog. I don't really care if they get a shorkie, because they think its a cute mix, as long as they don't support bybs, puppymills, pet stores...I say go find you a shorkie at petfinder. There are plenty in need of home there, no need in going and having more ill-bred dogs. Even if I have to lie and say I got Princess from petfinder to convince them. Usually saying I got Pepe, a purebred bichon from the HS, convinces people to go there. Most people unforuntely don't look for mutts. Even if they are into the whole poo n doodles thing, if its saving a dogs life...and 100x's better then going to a pet store, even if it is just to seek for a purebred or one of those crosses.

Edit: I also say if you really want a puggle for example........NEVER go to a breeder for crosses like those. There should be plentiful abandoned in shelters. But where you want a purebred pug I'll say shetler or responsible breeder. But I really try to encourge shetlers, since I won't be much help on helping someone find a responsible breeder.
 

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Juicy.. the difference is context. While the argument that shortening the name is normal is a good one, and perfectly logical, IMO, you can't just throw away the context. Well, you can, but most others can't, won't, or simply don't know the context. "Designer" names have been associated with designer breeds, BYBers, and puppymillers who are trying to sell dogs as a product. When you use their marketing terms, it's not as easy for everyone else to separate their memory of how the terms have been used vs how you are using them.

I'm not going to begin on whether it's "right" or not as I seriously don't care... ESPECIALLY considering my Cutedor Springer Pointaroo, here, after all... but that's why most people don't agree with you. And that's why when posting videos of newly born puppies, instead of labeling them as the mixes they are, adding a cute name that has been traditionally associated with BYBs and puppy mills makes people react quickly and call out names. Yeah, it's not nice, but I'm not particularly nice to BYBs, either, so again, I really can't comment. I don't blame them for the knee-jerk reaction.
 

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Juicy.. the difference is context. While the argument that shortening the name is normal is a good one, and perfectly logical, IMO, you can't just throw away the context. Well, you can, but most others can't, won't, or simply don't know the context. "Designer" names have been associated with designer breeds, BYBers, and puppymillers who are trying to sell dogs as a product. When you use their marketing terms, it's not as easy for everyone else to separate their memory of how the terms have been used vs how you are using them.

I'm not going to begin on whether it's "right" or not as I seriously don't care... ESPECIALLY considering my Cutedor Springer Pointaroo, here, after all... but that's why most people don't agree with you. And that's why when posting videos of newly born puppies, instead of labeling them as the mixes they are, adding a cute name that has been traditionally associated with BYBs and puppy mills makes people react quickly and call out names. Yeah, it's not nice, but I'm not particularly nice to BYBs, either, so again, I really can't comment. I don't blame them for the knee-jerk reaction.
Thanks for clearing that up for me. I think your cutedor springer pointaroo should be petfinder's sponser for getting more people to go and adopt :D

Talk about petfinder wanties. :yikes:
 

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You're welcome, I think! Context is a very useful thing to be aware of - you can imply all sorts of things when you take stuff out of context.
 

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You're welcome, I think! Context is a very useful thing to be aware of - you can imply all sorts of things when you take stuff out of context.
I'll try and be aware of that instead of doing it so to please others wishes.
 

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