Hey Dobe people!!
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Responsible breeders whom sell blues and fawns are hard to come by. Many don't like selling the dilutes because more often than not, they develop severe skin problems that can be expensive and difficult to treat. I'll talk to my friend who breeds Dobermans though and see if she knows anyone who does sell them. She's great and knows of quite a few wonderful Dobe breeders. Are you looking for one specifically in Ontario? or are you willing to travel? Sizzledog, another Dober owner member might know of some too as she shows but I'm not sure. Hopefully she'll see this thread...
I will see if I can later I'll try to get some off of my camera and try to get them loaded onto the computer I am at work right now soooo I can't do anything at the moment sorry 
What about your dogs the red in your siggy looks like one of my moms dogs she is a red female and always has that same look on her face
What about your dogs the red in your siggy looks like one of my moms dogs she is a red female and always has that same look on her face
If you dont mind taking a trip to Quebec, check this out: http://www.dobermanstrikerfire.com/
I got my Dobe from Maggy and I know she usually got fawn dogs in her litter.All the info you need is on this site. You can tell her you have been recommended by Simon Paquin if you want.
I got my Dobe from Maggy and I know she usually got fawn dogs in her litter.All the info you need is on this site. You can tell her you have been recommended by Simon Paquin if you want.
Albinos are bad. Blues and fawns are ok its jsut that they generally require a little mroe care. there are supplememnts reccomended for their skin jsut to make sure it stays ok. Its hard to find a good breeder of them,but not impossible. Not all of the blues/fawns are affected but I guess its hard to find one that not. but honestly I've never looked.
here are a couple good dobe forums with epople who may be closer to you and able to help
http://www.network54.com/Forum/11341/
http://www.dobermantalk.com/
here is some supplement info and it may explain the problems a little more
http://www.seattle-attorney.com/storm/sup.html
here are a couple good dobe forums with epople who may be closer to you and able to help
http://www.network54.com/Forum/11341/
http://www.dobermantalk.com/
here is some supplement info and it may explain the problems a little more
http://www.seattle-attorney.com/storm/sup.html
Just because I don't feel like explaining myself, here's something I found for you off of this website.
I've never met a blue or fawn Doberman over the age of 3 that didn't have alopecia. One female I know is only a year and a half old and her coat is getting very full, dry, coarse. etc. and she's starting to get bald spots too. Personally, I'd reccomend a red or a black but if you don't mind the coat problems then I'd say go for a fawn. If I ever get another Doberman and am financially ready to deal with any problems that may occur as far as skin/coat goes I'll definitely be getting a fawn or blue. And, just because this is a Doberman thread here's a picture (not a great one, it was taken at a weird angle) I took of the fawn Dobe I know last year, her coat has gotten worse since:
I've never met a blue or fawn Doberman over the age of 3 that didn't have alopecia. One female I know is only a year and a half old and her coat is getting very full, dry, coarse. etc. and she's starting to get bald spots too. Personally, I'd reccomend a red or a black but if you don't mind the coat problems then I'd say go for a fawn. If I ever get another Doberman and am financially ready to deal with any problems that may occur as far as skin/coat goes I'll definitely be getting a fawn or blue. And, just because this is a Doberman thread here's a picture (not a great one, it was taken at a weird angle) I took of the fawn Dobe I know last year, her coat has gotten worse since:
actually, wrath-liberator kennels in ontario is very good, and they have a fawn female now (harlow) that is absolutely stunning. they may have fawns.
the other people to talk to would be whomever bred the most recent nova/kelview litter, its about 1 year old or so right now, but it produced multiple fawns (it was out of eddie).
to get a fawn from a responsible breeder will be pretty tough. have you looked at rescue?
http://www.execulink.com/~dobes/
thats pat and brian's website (wrath-liberator)
and that other link, for striker fire? id avoid that - what health testing, titling, or testing do they do PERIOD? and breeding how many litters a year? they seem to have 3-4 planned just for right around now and in the next 2 months. BIG RED FLAGS.
thats pat and brian's website (wrath-liberator)
and that other link, for striker fire? id avoid that - what health testing, titling, or testing do they do PERIOD? and breeding how many litters a year? they seem to have 3-4 planned just for right around now and in the next 2 months. BIG RED FLAGS.
I forgot all about them, come to think of it though they do have Harlow aswell as a blue male I think. I don't know a lot about their breeding program but I've heard that they're really good. I didn't mean to say there aren't any who have the dilutes but there really aren't many and they're hard to come by, sorry if it sounded like that in my first post
I'm not really into the big commercial breeders, you just dont seem to get the same personality with an animal. But what sort of testing should they be doing with their puppies??
Ok, so if I understood your lengthy, educational post..lol, a red doberman does not suffer from any of the skin diseases mentioned and the reds and the classics are the only ones that are "safe" persay. Fawns and blues are taking a risk in a reduced quality of life for the dog.
Ok, so if I understood your lengthy, educational post..lol, a red doberman does not suffer from any of the skin diseases mentioned and the reds and the classics are the only ones that are "safe" persay. Fawns and blues are taking a risk in a reduced quality of life for the dog.
what do you mean, big commercial breeders - i didnt see anyone link to a big commercial breeder?
there is no quality of life issue for the dog - they dont care one way or another. its people that have problemsw ith a balding or bald dog. and reds and blacks arent "safe" - they have their own issues too, and i have known black and reds with skin issues as well.
there is no quality of life issue for the dog - they dont care one way or another. its people that have problemsw ith a balding or bald dog. and reds and blacks arent "safe" - they have their own issues too, and i have known black and reds with skin issues as well.
Blacks and reds can still suffer from the same conditions, but they don't show up as frequently as they do in the dilute colours. I know two reds with alopecia and my friend who breeds them has only ever had one black with alopecia show up in her lines, and that was about 20yrs ago. So, it isn't as common but a Dobe is a Dobe so no matter the colour you still have a risk. I'm sorry if I accidentally implied that the reds and blacks don't get the conditions, they do. Be sure to find a really great breeder though if you're going to go through a breeder.
^ Yes, I'm new to the whole dog thing, I lucked out with my mix and got a great, intelligent hard working dog and we've excelled quickly through obedience and agility. I meant big commercial breeders as in breeders who have a lot of litters in a short amount of time, usually they dont have enough time to spread around where as smaller breeders who only have a couple of litters a year are not more devoted, but have more time TO devote to their pups.
Sorry if I seem "uneducated", but hey, I just want to get all the facts before I make a decision. I had no idea that getting a Dobe from a breeder would require so much research. I understood that some breeders are obviously more involved and care more about the animal but I didn't know that I should be looking for things such as "alopecia". Thank you for all of your input! : )
Sorry if I seem "uneducated", but hey, I just want to get all the facts before I make a decision. I had no idea that getting a Dobe from a breeder would require so much research. I understood that some breeders are obviously more involved and care more about the animal but I didn't know that I should be looking for things such as "alopecia". Thank you for all of your input! : )
roxy, i dont think anyone here really thinks that strikerforce/fire or whatever their name is, is a good breeder
check out rescue -t here are always tons of dogs needing homes there! finding a breeder takes TONS of research - i personally looked for years and still havent found a breeder i LIKE much, with a pup available at the right time
check out rescue -t here are always tons of dogs needing homes there! finding a breeder takes TONS of research - i personally looked for years and still havent found a breeder i LIKE much, with a pup available at the right time
doberkim said:
roxy, i dont think anyone here really thinks that strikerforce/fire or whatever their name is, is a good breeder
check out rescue -t here are always tons of dogs needing homes there! finding a breeder takes TONS of research - i personally looked for years and still havent found a breeder i LIKE much, with a pup available at the right time
check out rescue -t here are always tons of dogs needing homes there! finding a breeder takes TONS of research - i personally looked for years and still havent found a breeder i LIKE much, with a pup available at the right time