HELP! sophie pregnant?

[mrose_s]

ahh disaster. sophie is on heat. probaby her last day. we have been juggling her and harry around so carefully, last time she was on het bought a sliding door off its hinges getting to her. today we find them down the back together, slobber all over her neck and back. he's only 12 months old so i'm hoping like hell he doesn't know how to do it properly.

but when we found them he was suddenly not so desperate to get to her, whereas all morning he's been begging to be let out. my guess is he pulled the door open, he's never doen that before. he's starting to want to ger to her again now.

i hope he didn't get her. the injection we got her last time relaly knocked her around and i don't knwo if we can afford it again. i don't need a lecture on why you should desex your dogs, i need the signs she might be showing if he actually got her.

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

You can not tell at this point.

Why not spay her?

 

[mrose_s]

its not nice to have control over cutting pieces out of your dog. we'd rather not. plus she handles her weight well. she eats a lot but she is very arthritic so its hard to get her enough excercise.

 

[Zoom]

It's also not nice to bring a litter into this world without a ton of forethought. Go get one of them fixed, probably Harry since he's younger. And cross your fingers that he didn't "get her" because if she's old enough to be pretty arthritic, then she's too old to safely have a litter.

 

[Melissa_W]

I really hope she's not. If she is, you really should have her spayed. If she isn't, you really must find a way to keep them properly separated. I understand it's hard. We found a stray female in heat, and Kai isn't neutered yet. But it's extremely important to be diligent... It only takes one time!

 

[RD]

It's also not nice to bring a litter into this world without a ton of forethought. Go get one of them fixed, probably Harry since he's younger. And cross your fingers that he didn't "get her" because if she's old enough to be pretty arthritic, then she's too old to safely have a litter.

Agreed. I'd get the shot for Sophie and neuter Harry so this doesn't happen again.

I don't have a problem with leaving dogs intact but it requires a ton of diligence to have intact dogs of the opposite sex in the same household. Accidents are just not an option. I know you don't want a lecture so I'll keep it short, I just can't keep my mouth shut when this is something that has happened before and you still have done nothing about it.

 

[bubbatd]

All my dogs were intact .... you just need to be aware !! A breeding usually takes at least 20 minutes from interest through the tie . Surely someone in the family saw that they were together .! PLEASE ... if you can't be guardians over your animals , remove the puppy causing organs !

 

[mrose_s]

i know. our last house made it pretty simple. we had a yard that had good fences that we could move them btween the backyear, garage, front yard, side yard, pool yard and house. everything was easily to seperate them. here we have one big yard. thats all. this whole situation is a disaster. we wont neuter harry, he'll just turn into a fat old man. its so hard to keep the weight off him even now.

i guess we'll just have to find the money somewhere

 

[Zoom]

It's not hard to keep weight off of a neutered dog. My dog was neutered a week before I got him, so I know exactly what he weighed pre-neuter and I know what he weighs now (2 years later) and he's gained all of a pound. And that's winter chub because I wasn't so keen on walking around the dog park in 20 degrees. All you have to do is maybe cut back on his food and exercise him.

 

[mrose_s]

I know you don't want a lecture so I'll keep it short, I just can't keep my mouth shut when this is something that has happened before and you still have done nothing about it.

and i'll say again, like i have many times. these arn't my dogs. my dog buster is desexed. my mums dogs arn't my decision. we've had her 9 years. and we've had intact males in the house a lot of the time. its not like we arn't careful. but this whole house is just a mess

 

[mrose_s]

I know you don't want a lecture so I'll keep it short, I just can't keep my mouth shut when this is something that has happened before and you still have done nothing about it.

and i'll say again, like i have many times. these arn't my dogs. my dog buster is desexed. my mums dogs arn't my decision. we've had her 9 years. and we've had intact males in the house a lot of the time. its not like we arn't careful. but this whole house is just a mess. i couldn't have planned it worse if i tried

 

[showpug]

I'll tell you what is more cruel then spaying your dog, letting her suffer a case of life threatening pyometra. With pyo, it's not if your intact bitch will get it, it's when.

So unfortunate.

 

[Herschel]

1) Convince your family to spay/neuter. For your situation, it is inhumane to leave both of them intact.

2) Feed less if you're worried about weight gain. Do you free feed?

 

[RD]

Ok I can understand them being your mom's dogs. My dad doesn't want me to neuter "his" dog either.

I wouldn't be too concerned about him getting fat. If he gains weight, feed less. Dogs don't get fat because they're neutered, they get fat because people overfeed them.

 

[Red_ACD_for_me]

Don't you EDUCATE your family?!?!?! Let them come on Chaz and read some of the stickies *ugh* WHY are you going to own multiple MUTTS in one house that aren't fixed?! It is just plain stupid and you are asking for trouble! Mrose, you always use the excuse that these aren't your dogs and they belong to your other family members you live with. How do they expect this NOT to happen? You have said that Buster is neutered, well why can't they all see that neutering does not make them less a dog........................

 

[mrose_s]

ahh. i knew this would happen. i don't knwo why i even bother coming and asking for help sometimes.

my mum KNOWS okay. we talkabout it all the time. i've told her the dangers.

buster was ment to have a vesectomy, we went back to the vet in the afternoon and whoops! they'd stuffed up the operation, he was neutered.
we know it doesn't make them any less of a dog, we're not about owning "macho" animals.

i came asking for any behaviour either of them may be showing if he had got to her. if you can't help me then fine. don't post stuff ridiculing me for stuff that is out of my control and that i understand.
i know why you are concerend. we'll just have to find the money for the injections. and i'll try to get mum to consider a vesectomy. but really, you think i don't understand this situation?

and as for amounts of food, sophie and harry and buster get about the same amount because harry and buster are more active eventhough sophie is biggest. we just feed mac until she stops eating, she has massive amounts of energy so she'll burn it all off and she's a bit skiny at the moment because the boys steal her food so we feed her indoors now. they all get fed in their own bowls and their own amount, bsophie always finishes first, harry and buster won't let anyone steal from their bowls and they arn't allowed back in till mac is finished.

 

[Rubylove]

I know you know all the right reasons for neutering. It's hard when you can't fund it yourself and your Mum may not want to hear what you're saying.

It will cost you a lot less to have your male dog neutered than to find money for the injection. Also, it won't make him fat. Neutering does not make dogs fat. I have a neutered male and he is in prime condition - we never even have to be careful of his diet. I know at least 100 male dogs who are neutered who are not overweight.

The most common causes of overweight dogs are overfeeding and lack of exercise.

It would be much easier for you to regulate the amount of food they eat and feed each one according to it's needs than it would be to keep your dogs apart when they are intact, and then find money for an injection just in case one is pregnant.

You have your reasons for keeping them intact and I respect that, it's up to the dog owner, but to be responsible - and in your case, to make your lives SO much easier! - you should at least ensure that the only intact dogs you have in your house are the same sex, or that only one dog is intact. If your Mum won't do it for them, she might consider doing it for herself - life will be a lot easier for her!

 

[mamasobuco]

i know. our last house made it pretty simple. we had a yard that had good fences that we could move them btween the backyear, garage, front yard, side yard, pool yard and house. everything was easily to seperate them. here we have one big yard. thats all. this whole situation is a disaster. we wont neuter harry, he'll just turn into a fat old man. its so hard to keep the weight off him even now.

Is this obesity issue some kind of breed specific problem because I've never heard that excuse to not to fix a dog? Not to be insulting but I'm also a little confused about how your mom would rather deal with a dog with cancer than a dog that is fat.

 

[mrose_s]

she has had dogs all her life. very few have been neutered. i'm pretty sure that if pyro struck down every intact bitch she would definetley know about it by now.

the truth is, we don't see it as our right to cut peices out of our dogs. and despite what people say, YES, some dogs DO know if you spay/neuter them, they know something is gone. i guess its ust a case of whether or not they miss it. he is ment to be bc/cattle dog. but he looks like a shorter lab, cattle dog colour with a border collie expressions and tail.

i think we'll probably get him a vesectomy, then we don't have to worry. i'm gonna push for that.

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

If you don't want advice, then don't ask for it. You clearly are unable to keep intact dogs separated.

Good luck with your litter.