Healthiest Breeds....
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A health problem is a health problem if it is not normal. Skin issues are a health problem. How sever the problem is is a different issue.
Health issues with pits is due to the fact that way to many BYB's have gotten ahold of them.
I dont recall saying DA is a mental health issue. I dont think anyone said that.
Health issues with pits is due to the fact that way to many BYB's have gotten ahold of them.
I dont recall saying DA is a mental health issue. I dont think anyone said that.
With Filas health issues are at a minimum, but the closer you stay to the working lines the better. Show lines, especially imports from Brazil, are having more health issues, in large part, I think, because of the corruption in the show breeding there. Some of the show breeders are infusing the lines with more Great Dane and Bull Mastiff blood to get a dog that is, among other things, easier to handle in the ring with less temperament, and with those two breeds, you get health issues.
My breed is not prone to many of the common problems in dogs even with our smaller gene pool. Of course, there also isn't a lot of testing being done for those issues either, but we rarely hear of heart problems, hip problems, eye problems, etc. We do have premature closure of the distal ulna physis and some allergy issues and people are watching patellas now closely too. We're a sturdy breed for the most part and one of the reasons I chose them.
I never said DA was a mental health issue. But for a breed that was culled for being human aggressive...well we are definitely seeing more HA dogs than there every should be - hence I call THAT a mental deficiency. An APBT should NEVER EVER (did I mention EVER) bite a human, that was a main thing with the old school breeders - HA = culled.
My APBT does not have any health issues that we're aware of as of yet. So I have a "good" experience with the breed. My other one died of a fibrosarcoma at age 8, he had to be put down because it was inoperable and had grown into his spine. I don't really consider that a long healthy lifespan.
Alopecia, while maybe the "older" breeders didn't consider it a health issue, I do. Oh goody, the dog can fight still or bait a bull or hog...yippie! Too bad all his hair is falling out and he's much more prone to sunburn. Oh and skin allergies, hmm no it doesn't affect a dogs quality of life if it's scratching itself bloody raw...come on now.
A health problem is a health problem - whether it affects their quality of life or not. Blind and deaf dogs frequently have a good quality of life, but that's not a trait you want to pass along either. Just because the dog can still function doesn't mean it's right. That's like saying having a heart murmur isn't a health problem because it doesn't affect my quality of life.
My APBT does not have any health issues that we're aware of as of yet. So I have a "good" experience with the breed. My other one died of a fibrosarcoma at age 8, he had to be put down because it was inoperable and had grown into his spine. I don't really consider that a long healthy lifespan.
Alopecia, while maybe the "older" breeders didn't consider it a health issue, I do. Oh goody, the dog can fight still or bait a bull or hog...yippie! Too bad all his hair is falling out and he's much more prone to sunburn. Oh and skin allergies, hmm no it doesn't affect a dogs quality of life if it's scratching itself bloody raw...come on now.
A health problem is a health problem - whether it affects their quality of life or not. Blind and deaf dogs frequently have a good quality of life, but that's not a trait you want to pass along either. Just because the dog can still function doesn't mean it's right. That's like saying having a heart murmur isn't a health problem because it doesn't affect my quality of life.
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I'd like to think English Pointers are a healthy bunch. Even those in rescues, I've never seen one with any sort of health problem. And Marq has never ever had a problem. For a larger dog, their expected life span is pretty good, and even Marq's dad died peacefully in his sleep at the age of 15.. no health problems. Having owned cockers all my life, I didn't even think that was possible.
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a dog w/ that bad a skin issue can't work but a lot of people get bent over a few bumps that never amount to anything. as for the culling of HA dogs that was primarily among folks that faught them in cajun rules due to the amount of handling. several famous champions in country rules were notorius manbiters (not to the mauling point but bad enough that people kept their distance) the problem is people are ignorant of the breed & it's lines and so have willfully & ignorantly bred unstable & HA lines (& w/ little regard for health as their stock hasn't been tested under the extremes of field work or the box that would show defects early).
a dog w/ that bad a skin issue can't work but a lot of people get bent over a few bumps that never amount to anything. as for the culling of HA dogs that was primarily among folks that faught them in cajun rules due to the amount of handling. several famous champions in country rules were notorius manbiters (not to the mauling point but bad enough that people kept their distance) the problem is people are ignorant of the breed & it's lines and so have willfully & ignorantly bred unstable & HA lines (& w/ little regard for health as their stock hasn't been tested under the extremes of field work or the box that would show defects early).
Exactly my point...really, who wants a dog that's going to bite them and isn't "stable"...certainly not me, and it's not a good point for a breed that is being media whipped.
Alopecia isn't bumps, and that was what I mentioned the first time...bald doggy isn't going to do so well, though it's not JUST pits that get that.
But it's not just "working dogs" that are worthy of breeding, and I know you'll disagree with that. But a working dog can have HD and though it doesn't bother him when he's young, it may later on - as is such in milder cases. Health testing is important, whether it's a working dog or not. However it seems that a lot of working breeders are of the opinion that if they can work they are healthy...too bad thinking that doesn't make it so and doesn't keep that dog from having more severely affected off-spring.
What about German Shorthaired Pointers? I never hear much about the downfalls of their health, anyone know?
Alopecia isn't bumps, and that was what I mentioned the first time...bald doggy isn't going to do so well, though it's not JUST pits that get that.
But it's not just "working dogs" that are worthy of breeding, and I know you'll disagree with that. But a working dog can have HD and though it doesn't bother him when he's young, it may later on - as is such in milder cases. Health testing is important, whether it's a working dog or not. However it seems that a lot of working breeders are of the opinion that if they can work they are healthy...too bad thinking that doesn't make it so and doesn't keep that dog from having more severely affected off-spring.
What about German Shorthaired Pointers? I never hear much about the downfalls of their health, anyone know?
CAS - aboriginal - not the heavier type - 12-15 years of age - said to die walking
Boerboel - not sure on type; but there are mention of some that live 12-15 years, there is one at least that is wandering around at 19 years of age; same as CAS -- and some have their pups at advanced ages - 9-10 years of age for bitches.
Boerboel - not sure on type; but there are mention of some that live 12-15 years, there is one at least that is wandering around at 19 years of age; same as CAS -- and some have their pups at advanced ages - 9-10 years of age for bitches.
Wirehaired pointing griffons are superty duperty healthy.
Average lifespan is 12-14 years
The OFA estimate is that 7.2% of griffons are dysplastic.
Once in a while one will develop entropion. Not common at all, but it can happen.
Cancer, allergies, and temperament disorders are pretty well unknown in this breed. In their case this includes any and all forms of DA and HA, as it is out of standard for them to be aggressive to anything except game.
It helps a lot that they are really rare, and that most breeders work them and health test. I read somewhere that there are only around 2,000 griffs registered in the US.
Average lifespan is 12-14 years
The OFA estimate is that 7.2% of griffons are dysplastic.
Once in a while one will develop entropion. Not common at all, but it can happen.
Cancer, allergies, and temperament disorders are pretty well unknown in this breed. In their case this includes any and all forms of DA and HA, as it is out of standard for them to be aggressive to anything except game.
It helps a lot that they are really rare, and that most breeders work them and health test. I read somewhere that there are only around 2,000 griffs registered in the US.
