have a cat and want also to get a dog, but concerned

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Hi, I've had a fully grown cat for several years, and would like to now adopt a puppy. I've never had a dog of any kind before, so this'll be a learning experience for me. I am concerned however about how this dog might interact with my very passive, docile cat. I do want a dog, but not at the expense that I'll come home to find my cat injured. Besides the potential physical problems, I'm also concerned about my cat's emotional health if this is done. I do not want my cat to feel rejected, or bullied, or threatened in any way. Adopting the dog and just seeing how it goes isn't an option, because I believe that when you adopt an animal you make a commitment to them for the rest of their lives, and its not fair to give them away because they aren't really what you expected.
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I would try to stay away from breeds that have high prey drive. Not that they cannot live well with cats, they can...but, being your first pup you might want a dog with low drive.;)

Try to stay away from herding breeds, Terriers, a border collie could drive your cat nuts...but, then again some people end up with border collie's with very low drive.

A breed I am really starting to fall in love with is the Tibetan Spaniel...a friend has one and another friend breeds/shows them....they are not over bred yet and have sweet low key personalities.
 

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I'd say stay away from terriers... A puppy that is raised with your cat will be more likly to get along and not bother, but if you rescue an adult dog from certain groups, rescues, or shelters they will know if he/she gets along with cats or not. Has your cat lived alone for most of his life? They usually adapt pretty well, esp if they are not being harassed.

I've seen (and I have 1) quite a few Shih Tzus that get along great with cat. Shoot, some of them even act like a cat, but will readily switch to doggy mode to romp with you outdoors ;)
 
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I agree with the previous posts...I would try to find a breed known for their compatibility with other kinds of pets. I believe that Bichon Frises are good dogs for multi-pet households.
Also, be sure to give your cat some space if you do bring a new puppy home. My cat was 14 (she passed away last year at 17 though) when I brought home Marta, my corgi. She learned to adjust pretty rapidly, but it really depends on the personality of your cat, too. There are plenty of books on the subject that can give you some good tips on how to make the adjustment easier. Good luck!
 

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I have a medium dog, a herding mutt. He likes to chase but he has gotton better. He likes to bug them but most won't stick around for it and one tolerates some play here and there.

My suggestion is - make sure you have a safe place for your cat. I have a babygate up so that my cats can jump over it and get away from the dog. Their litterboxes, food, and water are back there. Dogs love to eat cat poop and cat food so you have to keep it out of the way. I also have a bowl of food on top of the fridge.

Cats and dogs can live together just fine, but the dog will need training and the cat will need a dog free place in the home.
 
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I have 2 cats, one is really mellow (Phil), the other is mellow, but resistant to change. When we got our first dog, the resistant cat (Alice) went into a complete state of panic for about a week. She hid in the basement, but she recovered. The dog is not her best friend, but she's ok. The other cat plays with the dog. I was not surprised by either cat's reaction. Now, my dad's cat goes nuts with fear any time anyone but my dad walks in the house. She's a bit high strung, even at 14 years old. I would not introduce a dog, or any other animal for that matter, to this cat.

Have you ever moved with your cat or moved someone in? How does she react around strangers? You can pretty accurately predict how your cat will react by the way she has reacted to other unexpected events in her life, imo.

We have a lhasa apso and she's good with the cats. I also agree with the shi tzu suggestion. Tibetan spaniels are beautiful dogs, I know nothing of their behavior, but I'm partial to tibetan dogs.
 

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I think the breed doesn't really matter honestly. Even a breed that has high prey drive will know not to hurt someone in the family, even a cat. Lots of dogs chase cats (mine do), but it's often just to play. Just my opinion though.

Honestly though, your cat will feel rejected, bullied etc at first. It's unavoidable. It's never the same for them again once you have dogs. I totally understand your fear, when I got my first puppy I was really upset because my cat totally avoided me (and him) for about two months. Our cats are indoor/outdoor cats. We had three at the time, one being a very unsocial cat that came inside only during the winter. That one stopped coming back once we got the second puppy. We've only seen her once since June, but it really didn't surprise us as she just doesn't get along with anyone. For the other two, it took about four months to accept to be in the same room as the dog, and now a year after we got the first puppy they are just their old self again.

So, it just takes time. My cat used to run away as soon as the dogs got close, now she will let them smell and lick her without moving. The other cat is old and cranky so he lets them know when they are annoying him, and it works quite well (he doesn't use his claws though). But I agree, it's important for them to have a place where they can be without being bothered. Mine can go outside by a kitty door so it's easy for them, plus we have a gate so the dogs don't have access to the living room when we are not there, and the cats spend lots of time sleeping there.
 

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I have found that cats are pretty good at letting dogs know when they have had enough playtime!!!

I jhave 2 cats, and introduced a puppy. She is mixed breed - all her breeds are pretty lively!!

My older cat ignores her, and my dog respects her - and approaches her in a submissive manner. If the cat is not in the mood, she will hiss, and Bodhi knows this means b*gger off!

Bodhi LOVES the other cat, and they play together all the time. The cat stalks the dog, the dog sits on the cat, and they both wrestle for hours.

As long as you introduce and adult dog that is KNOWN to like cats, or a puppy which can grow up with the cats, there should be few problems.

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If you have friends with dogs, why not invite them over and see how it goes? It will at the very least put your mind to rest about the cat being injured.
When it comes to Puppy vs Kitty in the main event...it's generally the puppy that gets put into place.
 

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I have a hunting breed dog, and he gets along quite well with our cats. I agree with Fran. Any breed, if you get it as a young puppy, will get along with cats if raised with them.
 

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Hi, thanks very much for the helpful replies. I read realized that I should probably add some more information - I hope you'll take the time to read through this.

-The dog dog doesn't have to be a puppy. The main reason I thought a puppy might be a good idea was because I've never had a dog before, and I thought a puppy might be easier to handle for a person with no experience. But I have to say that I really like the idea of introducing an older dog that has been proven to work well with cats - that might actually be the best thing. However, generally speaking, do you guys think that an adult dog will be more, or less manageable for a first-timer than a puppy?

-Ideally, I'd rather just get a mix of some kind from the humane society as opposed to a breed. However, I think there's a good chance I'll end up getting a breed anyway, because I've done a little bit of research and it seems that there are many breeds that require an experienced owner - and this being my first potential dog, it seems that many types of dog would probably be off-limits to me for this reason. Also, I would guess - and please correct me if I'm wrong - that the behaviour of a mix might be harder to predict than that of a purebred dog, and in that case it is probably better off to adopt a purebred that is known for a certain personality. Comments?

-Like I said, any breed that needs an experienced owners is off-limits. So are pitt bulls, because they are illegal where I live. Beyond that, the other requirement in terms of breed would be size. A medium size dog would be best, but a large one would be ok too, as would a medium-small. I don't mean to offend anyone who has one or likes them, but these tiny, cat sized dogs with the high-pitched barks never appealed to me - though they are cute. I have a good-sized house and a large yard, so any dog will have more than enough room.

-I'm sort of considering a golden retriever. I used to have a bunch of friends with them, and I loved their personalities and think that my cat might be more accepting of their personality type. But how are they with cats?

-My cat has lived alone all her life, and does not express much interest in other cats.

-As for how my cat reacts with strangers, my cat is fantastic around adult strangers. She's friendly, will let them pick her up, and will purr for them right away. However, she is terrified of my four small cousins (aged 2 to 9) and will go nuts whenever they're in our house. She hides, and will scratch and hiss if they approach. These are the only times I've EVER seen her hiss. But it is also important to note that these children run around the house and make a lot of noise and cry. Though she doesn't like calm children either, she tolerates them and does not seem scared. Seeing that my cat tolerates calm children but not rowdy ones, I think there's a decent chance that she'd at least learn to accept a calm dog.

-I do have friends with dogs, but unfortuantely, at the moment all their dogs have rowdy, noisy personalities. I know without even bringing them here that she'd freak out completely and it wouldn't work out. It could still be done though, just to see - would you recommend it?

-I was wondering earlier today, whether the gender of the dog would have any impact at all. Generally speaking, is it likely that a female dog might be less aggressive towards a cat? Lots of cat chasing, even if done playfully, wouldn't be appreciated by my cat.

-I'm sure I can figure something out to find a safe place for the cat. But, with a babygate, can't the dog just jump over that too?

Thanks.
 

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Well a few things stand out for me. Getting a puppy for somebody who has no dog experience is much, much, much, much, MUCH harder to handle than an adult dog. Puppies are like babies, they need constant attention for months, for housebreaking and personality development.
If you are looking to go to the humane society (great choice btw) they often times have dogs surrendered that have lived with cats before, just ask when you go to visit with the dogs if they have any that get long with cats.
If the dog is desexed the gender really makes no difference in their temperment.
As for jumping over the baby gate...yes the dog might, depending on it's size and willingness to do so. Some dogs will never jump anything! (just ask somebody trying to train for obedience shows! haha)
A golden would be a great idea, they are laid back and very social animals. As are all retrievers.
I think it would be a good idea to test out the cats temperment with a dog, most shelters will let you bring your existing pet with you so they can get aquanted in a neutral environment like one of their visiting rooms.
So go pick out a dog, put it on hold, grab the kitty bring it back and let them sniff each other out!

I think it's a really good idea for you to go to the shelter ask to view the dogs that have lived with cats and decide from there.
 

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I agree, if you want an adult it's really not a bad idea. Just make sure the dog doesn't mind cats (I know my shelter barely checks). Try to get a dog that already knows basic training as well (all dogs don't). For the cat, an adult dog will definitely be less traumatic than a bouncy puppy.

For the mix vs purebreed thing, it's true that it's impossible to predict the personality of a mix. But with all the bad breeding going on, it's often impossible to predict the personality of purebreeds too. I think your best bet is to go through a rescue and not a shelter. Rescues take the time to find out the personality of the dogs, plus they will be more likely to know how the dog reacts to cats than a shelter. But it depends a lot on the shelter/rescue, so be sure to ask lots of questions.

Goldens are great. I don't know how adult ones are with cats, but mine is really good now. He used to chase them quite a bit as a puppy, he still does occasionally but most of the time he just goes to smell them and then leaves them alone. I don't think the gender matters either.

For babygates, my dogs have never jumped over them, but Boris can just run it down now. But it really depends on the size of your dog, and how resistant the gate is (ours is really not good). We just use a wooden panel now. They could *very* easily push it down because it's not even attached to anything, so I definitely don't recommend it, it just works for us because Boris had it fall on him a couple times as a puppy and he really hates it now, so he doesn't even try to push it down (even if he did, he refuses to walk over it). And as Boris is scared of it, Tips also thinks it's an evil thing and just stays behind it as well. Extremely handy :D
 
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ze_er said:
do you guys think that an adult dog will be more, or less manageable for a first-timer than a puppy?
More. Puppies are adorable but wild, and getting one ensures you get the full teenage years as well.

ze_er said:
that the behaviour of a mix might be harder to predict than that of a purebred dog, and in that case it is probably better off to adopt a purebred that is known for a certain personality. Comments?
There are limits to the predictability of purebreds - the popularity of Goldens and Labs, for example, meant a rise in puppy mills churning them out and so now we're seeing many dogs who exhibit behaviors once unheard of in both breeds, like shyness and aggression. Apart from that, individuals in most breeds vary. The physiological traits tend to remain consistent - Greyhounds can run like greased pigs, Bulldogs have trouble breathing in the heat, terriers can bite through steel - but the temperaments are only a guide. It's true that most spaniels are pretty nice, affectionate dogs who cling like velcro, but then again, Cockers are famously snappy. It does increase your chances of a happy dog/cat household if you adopt a breed not known for hunting or chasing - ruling out greyhounds, terriers, huskies, etc. - but I'd rely more on finding an individual dog who has shown a tolerance for or a disintest in cats.

ze_er said:
-I was wondering earlier today, whether the gender of the dog would have any impact at all. Generally speaking, is it likely that a female dog might be less aggressive towards a cat? Lots of cat chasing, even if done playfully, wouldn't be appreciated by my cat.
The worst predatory behavior I've witnessed was shown by a female dog, and my own female dog lives to chase cats, so I think it's probably equal.

On the topic of cat chasing - the book "Successful Dog Adoption" by Sue Sternberg (an excellent book) made a very interesting argument there are two kinds of dogs - those who get along well with cats who stand their ground and are dangerous with cats who flee, and those who get along well with cats who flee but are dangerous with cats who try to stand their ground.

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-I'm sure I can figure something out to find a safe place for the cat. But, with a babygate, can't the dog just jump over that too?
Given that dogs have nothing better while you're out than spend hours working on that gate, I can't help but think that they'll get through it one way or another. If you get a larger dog, the cat's hiding places increase (at least, they do if you have a semi-cluttered home) We used to have a setup where there was a loose lock on one bedroom, so the cat could slip inside and the dog couldn't.
 

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I echo the idea of an adult. They have already grown into their adult temperaments, so there are no guessing games involved (like there are with a young puppy). Even if the dog is a mutt, you know exactly what it will be like. I would get an adult dog from a rescue/shelter that places their dogs in foster homes. The foster family can tell you exactly what the dog's temperament is like, and whether or not they get along with cats.
 
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I've always had cats with my dogs and they all seem to get along great!!! My two cats were full grown when I got Jack and Chloe as puppies. They all play along great!!! Since getting Gus, our new Dachshund I find that he really likes to chase and harrass the cats, especially our younger one. She's really used to playing with the dogs. Jack and Chloe know when to stop and leave her alone, Gus doesn't. He's been getting scolded for that quite a bit since we got her. Good luck!
 

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i'd consider a retired racing greyhound.

when they are taken in by rescues, they are extensively tested with cats and children to make sure they are placed in appropriate homes, from their time at the race track they are already used to spending time confined (e.g. in a crate) and they are very mellow indoors.

do a google search for "greyhound rescue" and you'll get lots of info.
 
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Oh, please rescue an adult dog! Mixed breeds are great, too! And your dog and cat will work things out, believe me. When I got my first rescue, an emaciated wild man (yella lab) from the streets that had obviously eaten cats to stay alive, wanted to absolutely KILL my cat when I took him in! That is the most extreme situation you can have. They ended up being the best of friends and Yogi was so kind to him. It just took time. So, even if you have the worst of worst situations like I did, there can be a very good outcome. Don't be too timid to go into this...
 

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