Had the dubious 'pleasure' of hearing Brad Patterson speak yesterday

[Dekka]

That man is a crock of ****.

He said and did many silly and not nice things (and highly ineffectual) to dogs at the ALL About Pets Show in Toronto. (I was workign the rescue booth)

But the one thing that took the cake was.

(paraphrased)
"If a dog hates men you can't fix it. Feeding treats will only make it look like the dog is ok, till one day it takes a man's face off"

:yikes:

Way to tell people their dog's are unfixable...

There was a big crowd, but most people talking were very disturbed by what he said. He wanted to take one lady's dog. And she said no. He asked why and she said she didn't want her dog hit in the face. (good for her)

If I had more time I wanted to grab Dekka and stand in the back holding her and babying her (he HATES that)

How does such a clueless person get a tv show. He isn't even charismatic like CM.

 

[SaraB]

Love that the lady wouldn't let him touch her dog... Sounds like the majority of people just showed up to see him make a fool of himself, wonder if he knows that?

 

[Dekka]

I was talking to her afterwards and she said she was shaking the whole time.

I imagine he thought everyone there was there to see how awesome he was. I said if I knew I would hold no liability and could wipe it from Sport's mind right after (so it wouldnt' mess him up) I would love to hand him Sport. Sport would likely do something dramatic if he was treated that way.

 

[Shai]

I said if I knew I would hold no liability and could wipe it from Sport's mind right after (so it wouldnt' mess him up) I would love to hand him Sport. Sport would likely do something dramatic if he was treated that way.

+2 with Webster

Everything I've heard about this guy, including from folks who do use punishment/correction as a routine part of their training/proofing, indicates that this guy is a complete waste of gravity.

 

[MandyPug]

If he touched my dog I would do something dramatic... Murderously dramatic.

I recently found cards on my local business table at work for a BP trainer... Those ended up in the G-Drive.

 

[SizzleDog]

That guy is SCARY, someone needs to shut him down. Good for that lady standing up to him like that.

 

[SaraB]

I imagine he thought everyone there was there to see how awesome he was.

Exactly my point.. The only way he's going to go away is if people stop going to his presentations to gawk. What do we do with behaviors we don't like in our dogs? We ignore them and reward for behaviors we like... Just sayin'

 

[Brattina88]

To be honest, I've never heard of him... I googled him and watch a couple vidoes on youtube (several of which were removed btw)
I can't imagine standing there watching something like this happening, and not saying or doing anything about it ???????????

If he touched my dog I would do something dramatic... Murderously dramatic.

Agreed!

 

[elegy]

There was a big crowd, but most people talking were very disturbed by what he said. He wanted to take one lady's dog. And she said no. He asked why and she said she didn't want her dog hit in the face. (good for her)

heck yeah good for her. i'm glad she had the guts to say it out loud in front of the crowd.

that guy is downright scary.

 

[Doberluv]

Someone should form an organized "club" ...maybe from an existing dog club of some sort...that follows him from place to place...to every engagement or demo he has and quietly and stealthily show people who don't know any better what he's all about. Show by example of their own gently trained dogs, show by horrified expressions and gasps, just basically undermine his disgusting attempts to make money by mistreating animals.

And then there's the Internet. The more of this information about what a creep he is, the better. Maybe eventually, the word will get around enough that he will be shut down.

It's really hard to keep people together on a task such as ignoring him...or never going to his demos. I wish. I also wish more people had common sense like that woman who told him, "no." I think it would be fun if I were called upon to use my dog as a demo. I'd love to say, "not only no, but HELL NO! I don't go for mistreatment of dogs and can train perfectly well with positive reinforcement methods...AND with no concern about pack theory mumbo jumbo." Would just love it.

 

[SaraB]

It's really hard to keep people together on a task such as ignoring him...or never going to his demos. I wish. I also wish more people had common sense like that woman who told him, "no." I think it would be fun if I were called upon to use my dog as a demo. I'd love to say, "not only no, but HELL NO! I don't go for mistreatment of dogs and can train perfectly well with positive reinforcement methods...AND with no concern about pack theory mumbo jumbo." Would just love it.

I'm not saying organize something.. I'm just saying that going to his presentations to gawk is not helping the situation and is actually encouraging him.

 

[Dekka]

I wanted to go back today and heckle him lol.

I think it would be good if the audience questioned him and called him on his inaccuracies.

 

[Sekah]

Pattison has a history of attempting to sue libelous groups and quieting people who loudly denounce his methods. Many people have tried to organize something against him, and honestly none got terribly far.

The best way to approach him and his training methodology is through creating exemplary dogs using R+ methods, and speaking loudly about how effective and non-stressful your methods are for dogs.

Have you watched his new show? It's called Puppy SOS I think. He's trying to put forth a kinder, gentler Brad, but he still using heavily punitive methods, but this time on dogs < 1 year old.

 

[Doberluv]

Oh! Go back! Hurry. Heckle! He needs lots of little heckles to trip him up so he can hang himself. LOL.

I'm not saying organize something.. I'm just saying that going to his presentations to gawk is not helping the situation and is actually encouraging him.

I know what you mean...exactly. It is reinforcing him to give him that attention. But how to get people all together to agree not to go watch him....that is the ques-t-on. LOL.
It would be ideal if no one showed up. But it's likely never going to happen all at once. With some other work, it might trickle down eventually.

 

[Doberluv]

Pattison has a history of attempting to sue libelous groups and quieting people who loudly denounce his methods. Many people have tried to organize something against him, and honestly none got terribly far.

The best way to approach him and his training methodology is through creating exemplary dogs using R+ methods, and speaking loudly about how effective and non-stressful your methods are for dogs.

Have you watched his new show? It's called Puppy SOS I think. He's trying to put forth a kinder, gentler Brad, but he still using heavily punitive methods, but this time on dogs < 1 year old.

I don't see how it can be libel IF it's well stated that it is one's opinion. After all, aren't we still hanging on by a thread, the freedom of speech and expression? I agree also though with being exemplary examples with our own dogs and letting it be known how pos. R. works so successfully.

 

[MandyPug]

He's silenced every single FB page made against his methods. I think one of the creators was a 16 year old girl and he tried to sue her too.

 

[MafiaPrincess]

He's popular with the crowd of pet people who know little about their pets and don't research.. I was on a forum that was dominated by people without much of a clue, didn't research and weren't really quite trying to learn to improve.

BP was talking in Ottawa and they were SO happy. I made a few inflammatory posts about why he's a crock, things that had occurred on his show that were dangerous and wrong, awful to the dogs and managed to get aired.. lord knows what he doesn't let pass to the air.. And I was told I just didn't get it..

A good number went to the talk, and LOVED it. Thought he was pure genius, could fix all their issues (it was a dog free talk), and anyone who offered up an answer he didn't like or seemed to cease paying attention; he made them drop and give push ups..

They thought it was awesome. I thought I'd be telling BP where he could shove that and his cr@p advice.. But it proves he still has a market.. Though that market wouldn't be people going to a pet expo.. they are too informed for him and his advice.

 

[Meatos]

BP haters over here too...I saw him at Woofstock last summer and he was touting the same nonsense about how positive reinforcement using treats will only create devil dogs. Even my boyfriend who isn't the biggest dog person (lucky him, living with a girl who has a great dane! ) has more knowledge about dog training and behaviour in his little finger than Pattison has in his entire body. We were both so angry after hearing his presentation and thankfully a lot of other people who were standing in the crowd didn't seem to be buying it either. That's the one great thing about living in Toronto - TONS of dog savvy people who know when to call BS! Sadly, there are also TONS of people who buy into the BPs and CMs of the world, but more and more I'm seeing people seeking accredited trainers and resorting to gentler methods. I am so happy - and relieved - to see that.

Pattison's new show Puppy SOS makes me want to scream. He's gentler to an extent but still very harsh and puts puppies in a really bad light, saying that they are vying to be dominant, to be alpha, to be rulers of the household, and all other kinds of nonsense that he says will make a dog aggressive (like sitting on the couch, or going out the door first). Of course the owners on the show are so terrified of their badly behaved puppies turning into aggressive monsters that they do everything he says.

What upsets me most about his show is that I see owner after owner say to the camera that they were so upset by what Pattison was doing to their dog and were scared by their dogs' reactions to the methods, but knew it was for the best, so they allowed him to continue. This is where people need to have the backbone like that woman in the audience at the All About Pets show today - if you don't like what someone is doing to your dog in the name of "training" then grab that leash and get the heck outta there!!! We have to stand up for our dogs so that they never feel the need to stand up for themselves.

I also know that at his "seminars" you have to apply to attend, and he makes a selection based on whatever nonsense criteria that he has. I don't understand this at all.

 

[Dekka]

Oh! Go back! Hurry. Heckle! He needs lots of little heckles to trip him up so he can hang himself. LOL.

I can't. Its the far side of Toronto (so about 2 hours to get too from here) and I have family easter stuff today.

But I really want to. He loves calling out to people to say they are doing things wrong. I REALLY wanted to hold Dekka and be all obvious, then when he said it would make her weanie, I could then say

"well she is titled in agility and rally, she is close to an obedience and dock dog title too. She is an exemplary at JRT events, has been a main character in a BAFTA nominated film and has done other film/commercial work. On top of that she goes to these events to represent JRTs and is a fantastic pet who is very easy to live and travel with.... Just how is what I am doing hurting her obedience or relationship"

I figure that would call him out on his ideals. Examples are the best.

 

[MandyPug]

I can't. Its the far side of Toronto (so about 2 hours to get too from here) and I have family easter stuff today.

But I really want to. He loves calling out to people to say they are doing things wrong. I REALLY wanted to hold Dekka and be all obvious, then when he said it would make her weanie, I could then say

"well she is titled in agility and rally, she is close to an obedience and dock dog title too. She is an exemplary at JRT events, has been a main character in a BAFTA nominated film and has done other film/commercial work. On top of that she goes to these events to represent JRTs and is a fantastic pet who is very easy to live and travel with.... Just how is what I am doing hurting her obedience or relationship"

I figure that would call him out on his ideals. Examples are the best.

BP trainers teach agility too...

Clever Canines - Agility

But of course you look up the guy that teaches the class on AAC and he doesn't come up with anything... Not someone i'd want to be teaching my dog to play agility. No treats, just praise and martingale corrections. Lovely.