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Is growling allowed during play time?
Is that allowed or frown apond by you?
I think my dogs growls are adoreable lol.
He does it basicly in play.



On a different dog I am talking about in this area.
When Picking up this dog is growls at who ever picks it up.
Is that bad training? Or that a normal thing?
I am talking about two different dogs in this field.
Under 15 pounds.​
 

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Dogs have different types of growls that they use for different purposes. Many dogs "play growl" and it's nothing to be concerned about. My dogs' play growls sound very different from their "I mean it" growls.

As far as a dog growling when it is picked up, it clearly does not like to be picked up!n Not all dogs enjoy that. Dogs should never be corrected for growling. A growl is a warning: "I don't like that, stop!" You can work on dealing with whatever it is they don't like by slowly desensitizing them through positive contact (for the dog who does not like to be picked up, start rewarding them for very slow incremental steps towards being picked up, such as being approached, being touched, being lifted just an inch off the ground only for a second). But just punishing for growling leads to a dog who is afraid to growl but still feels that negative emotion (ie, you may punish for growling so the dog stops growling but it still does not like being picked up). After growls come snaps and then bites, and you want a dog who will warn you before they are pushed far enough that they bite. Growling is a natural form of communication for dogs. They are trying to tell you something when they growl, so instead of punishing, listen to what they are saying and work with them on whatever it is that is bothering them so much.
 

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Dogs have different types of growls that they use for different purposes. Many dogs "play growl" and it's nothing to be concerned about. My dogs' play growls sound very different from their "I mean it" growls.

As far as a dog growling when it is picked up, it clearly does not like to be picked up!n Not all dogs enjoy that. Dogs should never be corrected for growling. A growl is a warning: "I don't like that, stop!" You can work on dealing with whatever it is they don't like by slowly desensitizing them through positive contact (for the dog who does not like to be picked up, start rewarding them for very slow incremental steps towards being picked up, such as being approached, being touched, being lifted just an inch off the ground only for a second). But just punishing for growling leads to a dog who is afraid to growl but still feels that negative emotion (ie, you may punish for growling so the dog stops growling but it still does not like being picked up). After growls come snaps and then bites, and you want a dog who will warn you before they are pushed far enough that they bite. Growling is a natural form of communication for dogs. They are trying to tell you something when they growl, so instead of punishing, listen to what they are saying and work with them on whatever it is that is bothering them so much.
Great post by Houndlove. And I totally agree. My dogs do the growly play thing too, especially Jose`. What a character. I love it. He goes from pretend seriousness to an almost howl. I play growl back at him and he seems to think it's a riot.

Yes, you can associate small increments of picking the dog up with all good things; treats, doing something fun and pleasant. Don't pick the dog up and then punish him. Maybe something unpleasant has been associated with picking him up? Sometimes you may have to clip his nails or give him a bath. Maybe picking him up just prior to those types of things has caused him to associate picking up with a not so fun time. Maybe something hurts on him. (?) Or maybe he just plain doesn't like it.

I'm sure you can gradually get him to feel more comfortable about being picked up. And the growling in play (if it's part of his playing) is totally normal, fun stuff....nothing to worry about. Let us know how his progress is on picking him up so he feels OK about it.
 

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I, like houndlove, do not agree with correcting growling.

Play growls are perfectly fine during play, some dogs are louder than others when they play growl. Some dogs don't play growl at all.

As far as growling when being picked up goes, perhaps the dog has a minor injury or just doesn't like being picked up.

Houndlove's post is right on.
 

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Doberluv, I also playgrowl with my Milo when we play. It's one of a few of his signals that I used when we were getting to know each other. Others include two short pants (like panting, not like leiderhosen! hehe) when he is excited or curious about something. If I want him to investigate an object or person, I can point to it and make two short pants. There are a few other "doggiespeak" things that I have picked up from Milo, and you're right. He seems to think it is a riot when I speak "his language."
 

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They are so much fun. I wish I could do a video of Jose` talking. It's really a very full repertoire of sounds and growls, up and down the scale with lots of vibrato, woofs and grrrrrrrr. LOL. I get right in there and get him worked up while we play tug or he'll bring me something and ask me to play with him. He's a major character, that one. My other dogs don't do that so much.
 
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Dogs have different types of growls that they use for different purposes. Many dogs "play growl" and it's nothing to be concerned about. My dogs' play growls sound very different from their "I mean it" growls.
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Gotta go with Houndlove on this.
When playing they are like little kids screaming in the park, and just sharing their fun in the way they communicate.
Sometimes with a new dog it is very confusing figuring out what they are saying.
Just take time to learn the different "voices".



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When I got my new rescue she growled every time she anywhere near out other dogs. But she would look like she was trying to play. I was nervous about this at first and so were my resident dogs. They were taken about too. Then on night my husband was playing with her and growling started, it goes more and more loud and CUTE. It was obvious from then on her growling was play. Now a few weeks later we crack up because she is such a vocal dog and the sweetest thing.

My Swissy NEVER plays growls!! The only time he growls is in warning and being a resource guarder we know exactly what he is saying. I have mixed feeling about correcting his growling. I get a lot of push back from many forum members on this subject. I understand it’s a warning and should be taken seriously and adhered to. I also understand that if you squash that behavior it may “not†get offered and instant a bite could occur with no warning. But this is when you need to know your dog. I want my Swissy to know there is no need for that behavior!! I understand the source of his “growling†and I work on that to eliminate growling. I am the only one he almost never growls at under these circumstances. But when he growls at my son I immediately step in. First, I distract the situation and give him a long NO……. ett ett. I want him to know I do not approve of that behavior (guarding) with my son. The growl is just a reaction to the cause. I find him looking to me often when he feels the need to guard to see what I am going to say or do, I then have the opportunity to intervene on his behalf, before the need to growl and have Cody step away and work a trade. If I didn’t tell him No and ett ett when he growled at Cody, I believe he would not look to me for direction as he does now and it would be a constant issue. I know instincts and dogs, but I truly believe you can teach right from wrong. River knows that guarding/growling at Cody is something I do not accept and therefore many times will just get up and move himself away. I know he would have in the past stayed, guarded and growled.

Now my DH has some really stupid idiotic friends. All of which we have told them 1,000 times!! Do NOT put your face in Rivers and pet and coo and be so direct and head on. But because he is friendly and comes to them looking for attention they all seem to want to grab his face and put theirs in his and ya know what, he growls at them. They all look at me like “what the heck?†All I was doing was petting him! In those situations I don’t ever stop him or tell him NO, I just call him to me and then put him away far from those idiots. I am always vigilant when my River is socializing with people just because he is one of those dogs who have quirks. He is protective when he is resting, if it’s on the sidewalk or a comfy bed he does not approve of any approach on him. No up and over the head greetings, no petting face to face does he tolerate and he is a resource guarder so when people are stupid and can’t listen to me I would like to smack them!! But in our home, with our family I am not as lenient with the behavior I let him know that he must be more tolerant of our family. And my family knows that they are to be more tolerant and respectful of his quirks and not press him but instead try to avoid the situations we know he doesn’t like. Fortunately, he has never tried to bite and only attempted a snap one time. He has wonderful bite inhabitation and demonstrates it often with our other dogs and us in play, so I pray that it is our saving grace should an accident ever happen. Just as an FYI, he is very dog friendly and things that would make him growl on humans go ignored with many canines. I don’t understand that completely but it is interesting.
 

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