Great Pyretriever

[oc_spirit]

Actually Golden/pyr corsses are surprisingly common, its just that people arent honest about the cross It is especially common in the show world where show breeders try to breed a more calm, laid back dog that is happierto be in the ring and get touched by the judge rather than simply tolerate it But evryone knows mixes cant be shown in the ring so they do their F1 cross, then breed back to some naturally lax Pyrs and all along have falsified paper work and voila! No one is the wiser...or so they think...

 

[squirtsmom]

I didn't know they did that. Baby is going to remain virtuous. Can;t imagine some doofus dog doing that to her. eeewwwww.

 

[irenafarm]

I've got a rescue BC/Pyr cross right here. He's sweet as pie, no temperamental problems at all. You can't tell he's a Pyr unless you were looking for the signs, though.

Drift takes way more after the livestock guardian side, oddly, even though he looks pure BC (well, with a little "hmmm", about the head). When he's with the sheep, he just walks or trots around them and then tries to get my young male Maremma to play. You can get him to work them a little but it's really casual looking.

Here he's standing next to my very tall purebred BC, Ben. Ben is 23" tall. Drift is right next to Ben, not closer to the camera. He really is a couple inches taller than Ben.

 

[bubbatd]

Lovely dogs !

 

[FrenchKissed]

Actually Golden/pyr corsses are surprisingly common, its just that people arent honest about the cross It is especially common in the show world where show breeders try to breed a more calm, laid back dog that is happierto be in the ring and get touched by the judge rather than simply tolerate it But evryone knows mixes cant be shown in the ring so they do their F1 cross, then breed back to some naturally lax Pyrs and all along have falsified paper work and voila! No one is the wiser...or so they think...

I hate to burst your bubble but this is a complete fairy tail.

 

[noludoru]

Doesn't FrenchKissed breed Goldens and her friend owns Pyrs? Fascinating.

 

[irenafarm]

Why would you want a Pyrenees that was friendly rather than a little reserved? They are supposed to be livestock guardian dogs. They are not supposed to be people aggressive but they are not supposed to be slobbering all over every stranger, either. "Sizing you up" is the attitude I'd want to see from a good LGD breed. An intelligent reserve.

 

[squirtsmom]

Who said what? I've missed something. I like my Great Pyr just the way she is, slobber and all. What about friendly or reserved, etc.? I'm lost.

 

[noludoru]

Why would you want a Pyrenees that was friendly rather than a little reserved? They are supposed to be livestock guardian dogs. They are not supposed to be people aggressive but they are not supposed to be slobbering all over every stranger, either. "Sizing you up" is the attitude I'd want to see from a good LGD breed. An intelligent reserve.

Well, if you were an inferior or lazy handler, it would be nice if you had a watered-down dog in the ring to make it easier on you and the judge, eh? Refer to OC's post.

No true Great Pyrenees lover would ever want to water down their dogs, though. People like Linda love the breed for itself, LGD traits and all.

 

[FrenchKissed]

Doesn't FrenchKissed breed Goldens and her friend owns Pyrs? Fascinating.

The color genetics involved in making a pyr white with wolf-grey markings or badger markings (which is what most pyrs are) would create, in many cases, a black offspring.
And before you ask me how I know this, many years in the trenches of pyr rescue and the fact that there are a few people on the net that cross the breeds and sell them under a fad name.
In the golden ring it is about flash and movement, the last thing anyone would want to do is use a breed that is known for *not* being a showman.

 

[ToscasMom]

Squirtsmom, how does it feel to know you have a neighbor who is a potential candidate for the Darwin Awards?

 

[squirtsmom]

It fills me with pride. hahaha. And Nolu is right, I do love my dog just the way she is. What is wrong with her?

 

[noludoru]

The color genetics involved in making a pyr white with wolf-grey markings or badger markings (which is what most pyrs are) would create, in many cases, a black offspring.
And before you ask me how I know this, many years in the trenches of pyr rescue and the fact that there are a few people on the net that cross the breeds and sell them under a fad name.
In the golden ring it is about flash and movement, the last thing anyone would want to do is use a breed that is known for *not* being a showman.

ROFL why would I ask you how you know Pyr x Golden crosses have a high likelihood of being black? Here I thought that was common knowledge. (Though, just to tell you, the "wolf grey" markings you are talking about is called Wolf Sable, or just sable for short.) I am sure you have first hand knowledge of the fact. However, as OC said, if you cross them back to Pyrs in the second generation.... voila no one would be the wiser.

Though I have to wonder at your adamant refusal that Pyr x Golden crosses happen all the time... especially when you admitted to it above.

 

[squirtsmom]

You go girl.

 

[noludoru]

Out of your thread?

 

[squirtsmom]

What do you mean, out of my thread? I could go on forever cutie pie.

 

[noludoru]

LOL okay I'll stay.

off topic/ How's Baby doing? We haven't had any pictures in soooo long, and I bet she's bigger than Middie now.

 

[FrenchKissed]

ROFL why would I ask you how you know Pyr x Golden crosses have a high likelihood of being black? Here I thought that was common knowledge. (Though, just to tell you, the "wolf grey" markings you are talking about is called Wolf Sable, or just sable for short.) I am sure you have first hand knowledge of the fact. However, as OC said, if you cross them back to Pyrs in the second generation.... voila no one would be the wiser.

Though I have to wonder at your adamant refusal that Pyr x Golden crosses happen all the time... especially when you admitted to it above.

In the pyr standard and verbage, it is referred to as wolf-grey. Yes it's sable but that is the standard title for the color.

They (the crosses) do not happen with people looking to improve the golden retriever breed and their results in the ring. The only people breeding them are people making designer crosses. That's like saying the yorkie breeders are crossing with shihtzu to improve coat...

 

[noludoru]

In the pyr standard and verbage, it is referred to as wolf-grey. Yes it's sable but that is the standard title for the color.

They (the crosses) do not happen with people looking to improve the golden retriever breed and their results in the ring. The only people breeding them are people making designer crosses. That's like saying the yorkie breeders are crossing with shih tzu to improve coat...

I think you missed the point, hon.... The people breeding them are attempting to improve how Pyrs, an LGD breed, react to judges in the ring. To make them easier to show for the inferior handlers. We weren't saying a thing about ringside Goldens--if you are mixing two breeds to put the temperament of one in the good looks of another to win in the ring, you wouldn't even need Champion Goldens to do it, they could be any BYB dogs with soft temperaments. It's the Great Pyrenees that would have to have good conformation.

 

[Bob4eva]

He a no good foo' squirtsmom.