Granduer (Malinois) Pup
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Right now she's pretty much just an active pup, I've been staying @ the cabin lately and she and Sara have lot's of mountain to roam. I took up an Arab horse owner and do 4 miles a day 4 days a week on horseback @ a pretty good speed.
Granduer isn't far behind us. I noticed last week when I took the day off with the Arab, Granduer & Sara tour'd the mountain them selves. So the herdin' instint is good in both dogs.
I do have an issue with her right now though, she has entry level decoy bite work and picked up this habit of gripin' the leg tightly with her fronts.
I dunno why she does this, she only started after about the 3rd session with the decoy. But now, when I take her to the city for a walk and meet up with someone to chat with, the whole time chattin' she has a death grip on my leg while starin' @ the person(s) I'm talking to.
So, I need to remedy this or I'm darn of luck in the ring.
Granduer isn't far behind us. I noticed last week when I took the day off with the Arab, Granduer & Sara tour'd the mountain them selves. So the herdin' instint is good in both dogs.
I do have an issue with her right now though, she has entry level decoy bite work and picked up this habit of gripin' the leg tightly with her fronts.
I dunno why she does this, she only started after about the 3rd session with the decoy. But now, when I take her to the city for a walk and meet up with someone to chat with, the whole time chattin' she has a death grip on my leg while starin' @ the person(s) I'm talking to.
So, I need to remedy this or I'm darn of luck in the ring.
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How old is this puppy again, that you are putting 16 miles a week on from horseback :yikes: and doing "decoy" work with?
I think it's a great thing to teach a pup bitework as long as you keep it in the play/prey drives in the beginning. Working a puppy in defense isn't something I would ever do, but play/prey is just reinforcing the "game" so when defense is introduced when the pup is older it's going to be a lot easier on the dog.
My pup is now 6.5 months old and I feel I've wasted the last couple months. She should have been started by now and it drives me crazy that she hasn't been. Still trying to find a trainer in my area that I trust . . .
Well, it looks like she's humpin' the leg without the motions, she just grips tight until we start walking again. With the decoy, she bites first and then grips the leg.. all in all I have a pup that has a full bite on the sleeve and a grip on the leg. The first time I sent her to the decoy on the flat it looked like that was her intention from the start right after the first bite, now it's become a habit in walks, everytime I stop to chat to a passerby she does this with full attention on the stranger. Strange.
RR I'm talking about Granduer. She's about 5 months.
RR I'm talking about Granduer. She's about 5 months.
Thanks.
I would like to get her Reg through AKC, so I can show her, my son tried to make her stand still for a few pictures ... tell me what you think of her.
I've only been to shows locally here, and I think Granduer is able looks wise.
I've never shown a dog before or trained to stack .. any and all opinions welcome. Thanks.
Here are a few pics ...
I would like to get her Reg through AKC, so I can show her, my son tried to make her stand still for a few pictures ... tell me what you think of her.
I've only been to shows locally here, and I think Granduer is able looks wise.
I've never shown a dog before or trained to stack .. any and all opinions welcome. Thanks.
Here are a few pics ...
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Do you really want a critique? Have you read the breed standard? There are several Belgian fanciers on here who I imagine could help you. At first glance I see a slightly long bodied (mainly in the loin area) or short on leg puppy who is a bit straighter in the shoulder and stifle, and who is high in the rear at this point, with a pronounced dip behind the withers, and possibly a slightly low ear set. Much of this can change, as the age of this puppy in the photos is an awful age to evaluate any dog.
Looking back at the first page of photos, you can see the dip/soft spot in the topline behind the withers at the earlier age as well.
The feet look loose, but again, that is common at this age. Malinois want to have tight round cat feet. Keeping your nails very short will help with this. They need attention.
She has a pretty mask, good head proportions, nice straight front legs, and good depth of chest for her age.
It is a lot of red tape and jumping through hoops to get an imported dog AKC registered, but it can be done if the foreign registry is one recognized and accepted by AKC.
Looking back at the first page of photos, you can see the dip/soft spot in the topline behind the withers at the earlier age as well.
The feet look loose, but again, that is common at this age. Malinois want to have tight round cat feet. Keeping your nails very short will help with this. They need attention.
She has a pretty mask, good head proportions, nice straight front legs, and good depth of chest for her age.
It is a lot of red tape and jumping through hoops to get an imported dog AKC registered, but it can be done if the foreign registry is one recognized and accepted by AKC.
Its very hard to critique a dog in pictures, but out front what I can see is;
Long body
Long front feet - they should be "cat feet" in appearance
I can see SLIGHT inward angulation in her hocks
She looks high in the rear
Shes still young though - she may even grow into a few of them
She has a fairly nice neck
beautiful black mask
For stacking her - try and get her front legs underneath her more and have her lean into it a bit so it takes some of the height away from her rear as well. You can do that with a food bait.
Shes a pretty girl though, I betcha you could finish her
Hows her movement look? Anyway you could get a video and post it?
Long body
Long front feet - they should be "cat feet" in appearance
I can see SLIGHT inward angulation in her hocks
She looks high in the rear
Shes still young though - she may even grow into a few of them
She has a fairly nice neck
beautiful black mask
For stacking her - try and get her front legs underneath her more and have her lean into it a bit so it takes some of the height away from her rear as well. You can do that with a food bait.
Shes a pretty girl though, I betcha you could finish her
Hows her movement look? Anyway you could get a video and post it?
She's a nice girl, but the white on her neck is a fault. Here's the wording: "The tips of the toes may be white and a small white spot on the breastbone/ prosternum is permitted, not to extend to the neck. White markings, except as noted, are faulted." (taken from http://www.american-belgian-malinois-club.org/malstand.htm
I would like to see her more free-stacked. She's not a bad looking girl, and I don't think she's long at all. Her angulation in her rear is a bit straight, longer hocks than I like, flat-footed like someone else said, but that could be age. Do her front legs stack straight, or turn out? Depending on where you are located, you could finish her, but with majors being as they are in the US, you might have a bit of trouble finding points.
I would like to see her more free-stacked. She's not a bad looking girl, and I don't think she's long at all. Her angulation in her rear is a bit straight, longer hocks than I like, flat-footed like someone else said, but that could be age. Do her front legs stack straight, or turn out? Depending on where you are located, you could finish her, but with majors being as they are in the US, you might have a bit of trouble finding points.
Thanks everyone, I did read about the white on the neck, the last time I was at a local show, there were 6 Malinois there and 4 of the 6 had white on the neck. I dunno how they placed in the end, but the handlers and dogs looked to have a fun time in the ring.
Is it worth Reg her through AKC to show with the white on her neck, or should I just stick to working her through her current Reg?
I'll practice stacking again today and a video clip of movement for you.
Is it worth Reg her through AKC to show with the white on her neck, or should I just stick to working her through her current Reg?
I'll practice stacking again today and a video clip of movement for you.
The white is a fault, but I don't think it would prevent you from finishing her. Depends on what the competition is like in your area, how she ultimately matures, and the judge for the day. She's definitely a working type dog, so you may do better under all breed judges. Presentation will be a big part of showing her, I've seen some fairly ugly (IMO) working dogs win over dogs with more of a show type, because they free stacked, gaited well, and the other dogs just weren't shown to their best advantage.
As far as registration goes, I'd get her AKC registered. You live in the US, and at some point even if you don't do conformation you may want to put some obedience titles on her. Start the process now, and then later down the road you won't have to worry about it, it will be done. Besides which, AKC has changed the requirements for registering Malinois (and other Belgians) on more than on occasion. I'd just get it done, that way if they decide at a later date to make changes again, you won't be effected.
As far as registration goes, I'd get her AKC registered. You live in the US, and at some point even if you don't do conformation you may want to put some obedience titles on her. Start the process now, and then later down the road you won't have to worry about it, it will be done. Besides which, AKC has changed the requirements for registering Malinois (and other Belgians) on more than on occasion. I'd just get it done, that way if they decide at a later date to make changes again, you won't be effected.