Glueing A Collies Ears

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  1. LizzieCollie

    LizzieCollie Collie Crazy

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    Sorry for the dumb question but I was just wondering if glueing Lizzies ears would still work? Shes 5 months old already, could her ears still go down if I glue them enough?
     
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    colliewog Collies&Terriers, Oh My!

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    There are many factors, some of which are genetics. If her parents didn't have tipped ears, her chances are less that hers will, even with intervention. Also, you start ear training at 8 wks so you can form the cartilage. At 5 mos, those ears have been "weight lifting", making themselves strong and will resist gluing. You could try, but the chances are slim to none that it will bring them over. Sorry. :(
     
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    gluing collies ears? explain!
     
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    YES! you can still glue ears and YES it will still work at 5 months old!

    Our Sheltie breeder still glues her bitches ears a few weeks before a show, then takes the glue out right before the show - her Shelties ears look fabulous for the show. Its a temporary fix though. BUT her bitch is also over 3 years old. The others I haven't seen her glue b/c they turned out fine.

    As colliewog said - it more then likely wont make a permanent effect.

    We will have to glue our Sheltie bitches ears a few weeks before a show b/c hers didn't form correctly - mostly b/c she scratched the glue out each time, or Riot decided to try and make her part Belgian with the ears and rip them out during a play session lol (They make GREAT tug handles) lol
     
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    colliewog Collies&Terriers, Oh My!

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    You glue the ears down (with a skin-safe glue) to encourage them to tip properly. Here's an example: http://www.burlywood.com/collies/ears.htm

    Typically this is done during the teething phase, as the ears go haywire with the stress of teething and you want to be sure they form the proper tip if you're going to show. If you aren't going to show, then it really doesn't matter what the ears look like. ;)
     
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    colliewog Collies&Terriers, Oh My!

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    Lizzie appears to have a smaller, pointed ear, which in my experience will most likely not tip. If she had a larger ear, I'd think that there might be a slim chance. It can't hurt to try!
     
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    LizzieCollie Collie Crazy

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    Curiosity actually got the best of me and I glued her ears yesterday in the afternoon. She looked so funny!

    This morning when she went outside I noticed she had managed to unglue one of them and she looked absolutely magnificent with the ear properly tipped but hey, I think i'll leave the ears they way they are because at this stage the gluing will only tip the ear temporarily.
     
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    Its true, but its worth a shot :) If she isn't being shown, I wouln't worry too much about it :)

    thats one thing with Collies and Shelties - their ears have to be PERFECT for showing or the judge doesn't really take two looks at them.
     
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    Just my thought, Im not going to show her, and she doesnt need her ears for herding, agility and/or obedience
     
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    Nopers, we once had an "out of standard" Sheltie bitch that had pricked ears, foxy face and a miscolouring of white up one leg. She EXCELLED at obedience though. Always scored with the top 10 percentile.

    always a score of 190+ out of 200.

    Looks dont make brains :)
     
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    What do you mean a 'miscolouring of white up one leg? Is it possible to be penalized for a certain white marking?

    And your right about looks dont make brains, I fostered a pregnant bitch once, she was a total mutt and not very cute, but that girl was SMART! I know a couple that owns 2 Afghan Hounds and the older dog is gorgeous, but a total ditz! lol
     
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    colliewog Collies&Terriers, Oh My!

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    In Shelties, white markings in the "wrong place" are a disqualification. They aren't in Collies though - color is immaterial. But Collies also allow the colored headed whites, while Shelties do not (although they exist!).
     
  13. According to the current AKC standard, DQs are:

    Disqualifications:
    Heights below or above the desired size range, i.e., 13-16 inches.
    Brindle color.

    Other faults are listed, but not DQs. The only thing they say about white is that more than 50% is an elimination fault.

    http://www.akc.org/breeds/shetland_sheepdog/index.cfm
     
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    colliewog Collies&Terriers, Oh My!

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    My bad. It's a fault (and really frowned upon from what I've seen and heard), so depending upon how much white, if you fault so severely "to effectively eliminate them from competition", it might as well be a DQ.
     
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    Its the same for the CKC Red

    But, you'll RARELY see a Ch titled Sheltie with a big miscolouring up a leg. She had too much white up there. There is such a HUGE Sheltie competition at each show, she had other faults that would never allow her to get a CH against other nicer Shelties. She was a rescue though, so we weren't expecting to "use" her for anything other then obedience :)
    She was placed before in a thought to be loving home, everything checked out, but they were hiding a huge mask. Their kids beat her with newspapers, she was petrified of men - very bad. We took her in, re-trained her, re-socialized her, she was fabulous in the end :)
     
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    colliewog Collies&Terriers, Oh My!

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    It is a shame that color has to cause problems in the ring when it's not associated with a health problem. I understand not showing double merles because they are a sign of "weakness", but colored headed whites and white factoring is completely different and is not associated with any health problems. And thankfully color is not an issue in Collies because my dogs have white splotches all over! (And I love it!)
     
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    lol Your lucky!!

    Sheltie standards are fairly exact and there is ALWAYS high competition at the shows! lol
     
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    sheltie standards are so precise especially in the UK, the standard is so strict, especially with height.

    Its a shame the brindle colour is a disqualification, they make gorgeous dogs, lol
    i want to rescue one later on
     
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    My friend breeds shelties and her pups are 5 months right now and she glues their ears and says they will be permanent. She also glues her 2 year old bitch's ears but her's will never tip properly because the person who bred her didn't glue them properly as a puppy. Another friend of mine has a sheltie who never once had his ears glued until he was eight months old. She glued them for a month and now they are permanently tipped (and LOVELY!).

    You'll need a good glue. Both my friends used Speed Sew.
     
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    I've never found white markings "in the wrong place" to be a problem in shelties. My friend's foundation bitch is white factored as are many of the dogs in her pedigree, and they all have alot of white on them (some are even questionable as to whether or not they have over 50%) and the only dogs in her pedigree that aren't champions are the colour headed whites.

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