German Shepherd bit child yesterday

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I was at the rescue shelter yesterday like I always am on Sundays, and I was walking a German shepherd named Silas who I'd only walked one other time before, and we were walking by this woman and her two kids who were talking to one of the Lead Volunteers (the ones who work with adopters). The kids (a boy who looked to be 10yrs old and a girl who looked to be 4yrs old) asked to pet Silas and I said "I don't know if he's good with kids". The Lead Volunteer said its okay let them pet him so I did. The boy didn't pet Silas because he was a little intimidated by him, Silas being a 90lb dog and all. The girl petted Silas and he seemed happy to receive the attention. *To my knowledge* this was his first interaction with small kids.

The girl then walked over to her mother. Then walked back over to Silas. Silas responded by putting his entire mouth around the girl's right side, which left a small puncture wound the size of a tooth, but no other marks. Basically he grabbed her and let go. Nobody yelled at Silas because we were all too shocked by it. Silas has belonged to the rescue for about three months now I think, some of that time was spent in a foster home. He came back from that foster home for destroying two couches (separation anxiety). Silas did not show any sign of being uncomfortable. He has always been a very confident dog. He will never be adopted to a family with small kids EVER.

Silas has never shown any aggression to adults. He is good with other dogs, but does have a high prey drive. Silas has actually been adopted, but he is staying at the shelter until his people can pick him up on the 21st. Of course they will be informed of this incident. I do not know if these people are planning on kids in the future. They might decide not to take him, or he might get returned in the future. :( I am just wondering if anybody has any insight into WHY Silas might have done this? The child was being non-threatening, her arms were down, she was not running or screaming. They only thing I can think of is that, since her height was about eye level with him, that maybe she was staring him in the eyes and he "corrected" her. The other thing that was suggested was that he was being "protective" of me, but WHY would he feel that he needed to protect me or anybody from a 4yr old? Are kids not "real" humans to dogs but instead weird little creatures?

I thank you for any insight you can give me into this incident.

Oh, here's two pics of him for reference:





And if anybody has any suggestions on how to safely kid test a dog, I am all ears. Most of the intake sheets for the dogs say "Good with kids: ?" on them. It would be nice if I could suggest to the Leads safe ways to kid test dogs so that bite incidents do not occur. Thank you for your suggestions and thank you for reading.
 

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Are you certain this was an aggressive bite and not a play bite that went too far because he does not know how to play with kids?
 

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Are you certain this was an aggressive bite and not a play bite that went too far because he does not know how to play with kids?
I don't know. He didn't growl or anything. The thing that scared me most was that he put his WHOLE MOUTH around the kid's side. If it was a mouthing thing, wouldn't have just used his front teeth or something?:confused:
 

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I don't know. He didn't growl or anything. The thing that scared me most was that he put his WHOLE MOUTH around the kid's side. If it was a mouthing thing, wouldn't have just used his front teeth or something?:confused:
Well, alot of working lines (I'm asumming he is from working lines) inherit full mouth grips. Silas was probably just playing with the little girl because if he wanted to do damage you would know. Thats why I dont allow people to pet dogs that I am unaware of their temperaments.
 

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He is in rescue, pulled from a high-kill shelter when his time was up, so we don't know for sure what lines he is from, but you are probably right, he is probably from working lines.
 

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Gunnar uses a full bite when he mouths something. He's very gentle when he does it. I doubt the dog was trying to harm the child, or he would have done a lot worse.
 

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Gunnar uses a full bite when he mouths something. He's very gentle when he does it. I doubt the dog was trying to harm the child, or he would have done a lot worse.
Same with Charlie, although he has been well socialized with kids so he would never do such a thing. If a GSD is not well socialized, I can see how this would happen very easily. This dog does not sound aggressive to me, but clearly should not be around children due to the risk of another accident like this.
 

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That's true- it's probably all he knows as far as how to play with a child. Dogs play like that (you should hear the snapping of jaws and clicking of teeth when Gunnar and Daisy play). Its up to the humans to teach them it's not ok to do that with us.
 

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I've been around my share of mouthy dogs, and I know how they can play rough when not trained properly (I had a mouth-shaped bruise on my arm for a week after I was mouthed by young neapolitan mastiff :yikes:). Silas does jump on you when you let him out of the run, but he's never been mouthy to my knowledge. He wasn't acting playful or anything, he was just standing there. :confused:
 
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play bites don't usually end in punctures, or was it just scratched. It's very hard to tell from the written word, but it sounds more like a back off type bite if it happened suddenly, without warning and didn't progress to anything else. There were probably signs, but since you weren't expecting it, you probably didn't notice that Silas was getting standoffish or stressed by the kid.
 

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She lifted up her hand to pet him. And yeah I couldn't see any signs of stress on his face because I couldn't see his face all the way since I was holding the leash. His ears were up and forward. Don't know what his tail was doing since his butt was beside me and I was looking forward. We were only around the kids for a few minutes, and this bite happened in an instant.

One of the other Lead Volunteers emailed me asking me about the details because they are speaking with a trainer to figure out why Silas did it.
 

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Ears up and forward is how Gunnar looks when he is in full prey/play drive. Alert and waiting for something to move.

BTW he's a nice looking dog!
 

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Ears up and forward is how Gunnar looks when he is in full prey/play drive. Alert and waiting for something to move.

BTW he's a nice looking dog!
Yeah he is. And from now on when I'm walking any dog I will avoid the little children. I think it will be safest for all.
 

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I have the same issues with dogs in my rescue, and dogs that I foster. I just don't know how they'll be with kids, or some people. I'd like to find a better system for myself, since it is my responsibility as a foster parent to get to know the dogs' personalities. And we take the dogs to Petsmart, and some of them aren't even in foster homes-- they're boarded-- so nobody gets to know their temperments very well... It's very nervewracking for me, though I obviously try not to let it show to the dogs...


Anyway, that dog sure is beautiful! It's unfortunate that an incident like that happened, I hope he'll have a happy home regardless! :)
 
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I agree with you in one sense that you probably should avoid going near kids with this dog, or you could set up a situation where you have full control over the situation and correct him when he goes to mouth the kid.
If you are not sure what to do to correct him than I would avoid any kids to be on the safe side

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