First time puppy owner needs serious help

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Hi, I'm new to this forum and really dog owning in general and after scouring web page after web page I've finally just decided to ask questions instead of searching for answers and hope I get lucky.

I have a small circle of friends, and they've known for sometime that I've wanted a dog. We'd go into pet stores and I would play with the dogs and get bummed out whenever we left. I really desired a dog, but had no real idea as to how to train them.

About three weeks ago I was chatting with one of my friends online and she mentioned to me that she got me something. I asked her what it was and she told me it'd be a surprise. That I would either "Really like it, or really hate it" and I spent the rest of the day wondering what it was.

Now, I'm nineteen years old and my grandfather is currently paying for my residence in an apartment near where I'm attending college. So suffice it to say, when my grandfather came over to visit at the same time my friend brought over my "surprise" a dog was the last thing I was expecting, and the first thing that I got. A little black six week old lab puppy. I was in love.

The first week was great, we bought him toys and he stayed under the couch sleeping, he played a little bit, never bit anyone and didn't even know how to bark. He had very little bladder control and had accidents abound, but I really didn't mind. It was to be expected as he was just a puppy.

Well, soon Vader (Being the avid Star Wars fan that I am I named him approprriately) got a little accustomed to the apartment and now on my third week with him I'm wondering just what I'm doing wrong.

Vader's problems are pretty much everything I've read that dog's either shouldn't do, or shouldn't want to do.

-He has no concept of the word no, regardless of the amount of times its told to him, be it firm, nicely, surprised, angry, etc.

-I've tried crate training him to the best of my abilities but he just won't associate the crate as his den. I can't convince him to go in of his own will unless there's food or a treat to be had. I've done everything, tied a toy in there, let him explore it on his own for a few days with the door off, just left him in there and ignored him, stayed by his side whilst in there, and nothing just seems to work. As soon as he hears the metal bars lock into place he freaks last night his yelping was so bad it sounded like a woman screaming. I don't know if I can crate train him if his behavior keeps up, he's very loud and I don't need a noise complaint filed by my neighbors who live both above, under, and around me.

-He's very resistent of new people. Anytime a new person comes over, Vader starts barking at them, and then proceeds to nip at whatever part of their body he can get to. Sometimes biting them. It's just annoying now, but when his teeth get sharper, it's going to get alot worse.

-He still bites in general. I have a friend who comes over on an every day basis and Vader still relentlessly bites him. We've tried dozens of methods to get him to stop. From muzzle shutting, to no, to grabbing him by his neck and telling him no. He just refuses to listen.

-I'm still have absolutely no luck with housebreaking him. He simply will not poop outside, even if he has to go. He'll wait until we're back in and on a few occasions, almost instantly proceed to go on the floor. He'll pee right in front of me, and just walk away like he did nothing wrong. I've caught him doing it several times, I've shouted at him no, to startle him to stop, and promptly taken him outside and he still just won't go outside.


Any help on any of these matters would be very much appriciated. I desperately want to keep Vader, but I don't know if I can if I can't train him properly. My friend assures me that he's just being a puppy, but I've read countless online articles about dog's learning things very quickly. Primarily crate training and he just won't do any of it.
 

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I once had a German Shepherd and they are super smart animals. It took me over a month to crate train and house break her. She was also 6 weeks old when we got her. Ideally you want a puppy that has been with his/her mother for at least 8 weeks. They learn so much from their mother during the 6-8 week period. She teaches them about nipping and basic manners. When Vader nips or bites stuff a toy in his mouth and walk away. When he pottys outside praise praise praise and treat! Be very consistent with this. Don't scold him after he has had an accident because they don't understand and they live in the moment. Take him out as soon as he wakes from a nap, after a meal, every 30-45 minutes and repeat the potty or go pee or whatever you want as the signal. Be patient it won't happen overnight but it will happen. Hang in there!
 

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Re: smkie

Hi, I'm new to this forum and really dog owning in general and after scouring web page after web page I've finally just decided to ask questions instead of searching for answers and hope I get lucky.
You've come to the right place!

Now, I'm nineteen years old and my grandfather is currently paying for my residence in an apartment near where I'm attending college. So suffice it to say, when my grandfather came over to visit at the same time my friend brought over my "surprise" a dog was the last thing I was expecting, and the first thing that I got. A little black six week old lab puppy. I was in love.
No doubt you adore him! He sounds like a sweety but first off you should know that this pup was too young to be separated from his siblings (8-week min.) and he probably didn't come from a good breeder. Both of those can caused problems down the line.

-He has no concept of the word no, regardless of the amount of times its told to him, be it firm, nicely, surprised, angry, etc.
This comes with time. He's still very young. How are you teaching him the word no? You can't just say it. It's better to give him an alternate behaviour. For example if he's chewing on your shoe. Say no, take it away, give him a chew toy and praise him. Don't rush with this one. It will come.

-I've tried crate training him to the best of my abilities but he just won't associate the crate as his den. I can't convince him to go in of his own will unless there's food or a treat to be had. I've done everything, tied a toy in there, let him explore it on his own for a few days with the door off, just left him in there and ignored him, stayed by his side whilst in there, and nothing just seems to work. As soon as he hears the metal bars lock into place he freaks last night his yelping was so bad it sounded like a woman screaming. I don't know if I can crate train him if his behavior keeps up, he's very loud and I don't need a noise complaint filed by my neighbors who live both above, under, and around me.
First off, I've never crate trained. However, it might help if you reconsider the location of the crate. Is it by your bed? Can he see you? You are doing well by feeding and putting treats in there but don't rush it. Let him associate it with positive things before you close the door. This won't happen overnight. I've always used a puppy proof room with my dogs.

-He's very resistent of new people. Anytime a new person comes over, Vader starts barking at them, and then proceeds to nip at whatever part of their body he can get to. Sometimes biting them. It's just annoying now, but when his teeth get sharper, it's going to get alot worse.
Nipping is one of the problems that often occurs when they are taken from their siblings too soon. All puppies nip but it seems to be more aggravated with the younger ones. When he nips say nothing to him. Cut off play time/attention. Even negative attention (yelling...) is still attention. Walk away. If he's the kind of little rat who will chase you nipping at your ankles then you may want to give him short time outs. Saying nothing pick him up and put him in a puppy proof room (NEVER the crate). Give him a minute to think and if after a minute he's quiet, let him out. Don't let him out if he's having a temper tantrum. You have to make him realize nipping= no fun.

As for visitors start slow. Don't overwhelm him. Have one trusted friend come over. Don't push him. Let him approach your friend. Maybe she can sit on the floor and just let him get used to her. As he gets accustomed to one person find someone else to introduce him to. He needs to associate postive experiences with visitors. If you think about it from his perspective he's probably overwhelmed with large, noisy people intruding on his safe place.

-He still bites in general. I have a friend who comes over on an every day basis and Vader still relentlessly bites him. We've tried dozens of methods to get him to stop. From muzzle shutting, to no, to grabbing him by his neck and telling him no. He just refuses to listen.
see above

-I'm still have absolutely no luck with housebreaking him. He simply will not poop outside, even if he has to go. He'll wait until we're back in and on a few occasions, almost instantly proceed to go on the floor. He'll pee right in front of me, and just walk away like he did nothing wrong. I've caught him doing it several times, I've shouted at him no, to startle him to stop, and promptly taken him outside and he still just won't go outside.
This is tricky and I've got a lot to say but there's just too mucha t the moment. I've got to run. All of this has been covered on the forum numerous times so I suggest you look up posts in the puppy and training forum. Especially posts from Redyrerottweilers, Dr2little, Doberluv and Creatureteacher. Oh, Mordy has a great post about crate training that is stickied somewhere.

Good luck!
 

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A bad situation for both you and your pup . First of all the pup wasn't socialized and was taking from his mom too soon . This is not your fault ! Please get the book " How To Raise A Puppy You Can Live With " Rutherford and Neil . Very cheap and very worth while in Amazon . Good luck and welcome to you both !
 
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first, read the topics here about puppy mouthing, toy box, and housetraining.

Find a class as soon as you can and get in it as soon as they will let you.

read read read.

Read about (do searches) Puppy mouthing, bite inhibition, crate training, house training, puppy training, recall training.

Find people in your area who compete with dogs. obedience, breed, agility, it does not matter. Find people who train dogs, and make friends with them.

Do a search at AKC http://www.akc.org and find clubs in your area. Go to the next meeting, and see if you can join.
 

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Hey there,

All that everybody said above and...

The crate training... when you do a search within the forum here you'll find lots of great advice on this but I'd like to add that you are obviously anxious about your neighbour's reaction to your puppy squealing like a stuck pig half the night. Not only is your anxiety about this probably causing you to give up and let the little blighter out just to shut him up but the puppy is probably picking up on the stress too.

Are your neighbours approachable at all? How about dropping off a Christmas card and a box of chocloates and simply saying 'I really do want to apologise in advance. I have a very young puppy who was seperated from his mother too young. He has a bit of catching up to do and according to xxxx crate training is really going to help him. He may scream a bit for a day or so but he's not sick or in pain and the racket will not last long as long as I am firm with him now.'

Okay... or something like that. If they don't know how you got the pupper - lay the seperated bit on thick. If your neighbours understand in advance that the dreadful racket will not last forever and in bearing with it for a few days they are helping a poor wee puppy they will be less likely to get upset about it. You will also be more relaxed and likely to follow through.

You said both 'He has no concept of the word no' and that he will 'just walk away like he did nothing wrong'. Well, in both cases you are right. he has no concept of no and in his mind he did nothing wrong. At 9 weeks you have a baby on your hands. The nipping is normal, the house training problem is normal so DONT PANIC. Just take one problem at a time, search the forum and relax. You do not have a the Hound of Zoltan sharing your living space ... you have a puppy. :) Congratulations! And Vadar pics please...
 

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Well first off congratulations on your new puppy! I am sure in time you will be able to live happily with your puppy.

I read this article http://www.shirleychong.com/keepers/archives/bite.txt that was submitted by REDYREROTTWEILERS. It explained in very good detail about puppy nipping etc. Helped me teach my dog how hard is too hard. Hopefully this article will help you teach your puppy to keep it playful.

And the crate thing takes time. I just put Alex's crate in the living room with us in between the chair and the couch. I left the door opened with rawhide chew and a treat or two. When I did start closing the door on him I did it for 5 minutes and we worked our way up (unless it was a trip). In a week I was amazed to see him retreat to his crate more often than his little bed. We just made sure the crate was in the room we were in and in a spot he could see us get up and move so he could follow if he wanted.

I'm not saying any of this is the correct way to do things. Just throwing out what worked for me.

I hope any of this helped.
 

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Thanks alot for the advice guys. I feel a bit more relieved and I'll try to employ some of the methods discussed here, but don't stop with the advice it's really helpful.

By the way, as per request, I present Vader:







Me n Vader

 

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ADORABLE!!! :D

Let me ask you, how much exercise is he getting? He's a pup, so he doesn't need ALOT, but definately needs some. I'd advise 30-45 minutes per day, but in two short walks instead of one long one. [Example: Two 15 min walks as opposed to one 30 min walk.] I'll tell you right now, LABS NEED EXERCISE. If they don't get it, they'll become a menace. The hyperactivity, excessive biting, etc are the symptoms of boredom, and lack of exercise. He's trying to get his energy out by biting, and running around like a madman. :p Believe me, I've had SEVERAL labs. I've seen this behavior. The walks I'm talking about aren't just "potty breaks". You need to get him out, and walk him. A side walk, or quiet road is sufficient for this. I storngly suggest Ceasar Millan's book "Ceasar's Way". It'll help you SO much. I'm in the middle of reading it myself. This will inform you on just how to go about these walks. I got the book at Barnes and Nobel for $25. It's 100% worth every penny. GOOD LUCK with your little guy! If you have any more questions, feel free to ask here, or PM me. :) There are several users here with labs, and just general dog experience. You're at the right place. ;)
 

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