Faulty/Undesirable Colors

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  1. CatStina

    CatStina SBT Lover!!

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    Thanks for the info! I knew blues weren't easy to finish in the UK, didn't know that there were blue champions in the US, though. I guess it shouldn't surprise me since Saxon's grandfather, Ch. Yankeestaff Preachin' the Blues, was a blue fawn and a champion. I know it's mean, but I've never really been a huge fan of blues in the breed. Probably because I was involved in Pit Bulls before Staffords and unethical AmBully and Pit Bull breeders advertise it as "rare" and charge more for it, and because of all the health issues that go along with blue-blue breedings.

    P.S. Thanks for bringing up the nose, I forgot to mention that nose and eye rims should be black.
     
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    CatStina SBT Lover!!

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    I'm sorry, I must not have been clear. When I say B&T, I mean tan point markings not specifically black with tan points.
     
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    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    Mismarks happen but you can't really show them. AKc DQs a solid white dog and faults dogs with white ears or over the eyes enough that you don't see them shown. However split faces and solid white faces happen often enough in the breed. This one I get because of concerns about deafness.

    I've seen blue and liver leather happen in the breed too, and that's also faulted. Leather other than black is severely faulted in the AKc. No idea why. Doesn't occur often in the breed though.

    Solid colors (ruby, black and tan, solid black) used to occur in papillons but were written out of the standards seemingly after the color vanished in the breed. I am not sure why they were written out. I've asked breeders I know and no one has a good explanation. Two theories I've heard. 1. Solids were seen as evidence of a cross to something (maybe pom or other spitz) that caused the erect ears. That makes no sense to me since other spaniels often come in ruby and black and tan and solid black. 2. Solids were accidentally bred out in favor of the flashier white marked dogs. Since piebald is recessive all dogs kept were piebald and no solid genes remained. Honestly, I have no idea.

    End result though is now all paps are piebald and solid is genetically impossible in the modern breed.
     
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    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    Shelties come in sable, sable merle, black tri, black bi, blue merle tri, blue merle bi, double merle, and color headed white (piebald of any of the other colors). Tris being with tan and white and bicolors just white and the color. More than 50% white is DQ'd in the AKC probably because of the concern with double merles and their health issues. UKC will allow color headed whites to show, I am pretty sure. I think it's a shame that CHWs can't show as I think it was just the thought that white = bad and people didn't understand that CHWs and double merles were different.

    I've seen a few nonstandard colors like brindle before. There's always suspicion that the brindles aren't pure but I don't know.
     
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    I don't like the blues/blue fawn/blue brindles in Staffords. The look does not appeal to me. And the blue Staffords have been exploited in the UK like the blue APBTs are in the US.

    What's hilarious to me is that the big proponents of "athletic" Staffs in the UK, who claim to like the original, 1935 Standard (because they like the taller dogs, since the original standard had the height range at 15-18"), often tend to have blues. Which were not in that original standard they claim to favor.
     
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    Ohh good lord, I can't believe I didn't add what breed. OPPS sorry guys.
    It is Dalmatians.
     
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    Lyzelle, they do although over here it is pretty rare. I think the long haired dalmatians occur more often than the "other" colors here.
    But here is a link that shows you the different colors and what not. There is quite a few different pages too.

    http://paisleydals.com/color.html
     
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    MericoX Roos, Poos, & a Wog!

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    Schnauzers: White, parti, liver-coated dogs are DQ
    Poodles: Parti colors are not showable in AKC, merles are not accepted (nor should they occur). Sable I also think aren't registerable.
     
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    rotties came in solid red & wolf grey as well as the black & red pointed. alledgedly if you're in the know, you can find solid reds in eatern europe as working dogs but the wolf grey is extinct as far as i know.

    sometimes it is health related like merles, whites & dilutes, other times it's just group preference w/ no actual grounding in working ability or breed history.
     
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    Permitted colors for Dutch Shepherds are gold and silver brindle. However, "yellow" dogs still are born from time to time. Most commonly in the long-hair. In The Netherlands, the yellow will be given a pedigree, but have a "NEK", "Niet Erkende Kleur" (not recognized color) on the pedigree and no breeding is allowed.

    A yellow long-hair and a gold brindle.

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    Also a small amount of white is allowed on the chest, very small.
     
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    That's neat! Learn something new every day.
     
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    I know this person from the GSD forum and they are very reputable. Okay, I thought she was a breeder, but it looks like just rescue. Those dogs are beautiful, though.

    http://www.echodogs.org/
     
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    Its pretty neat that Sue put that page up. Because its hard(for me atleast) to imagine dalmatians in other colors besides the black and liver. I think with the color testing that can be done now, the likely hood of the off colors happening are going to be come rarer and rarer.
     
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    Which means the BYB/puppymills will start charging more and more ;)

    I still wish blue wasn't shunned in the Pem world :(
     
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    Solid brindle I've not heard of, but Lily has a lot of striping and from the reading I've done its very common for striping to occur in Agouti dogs. I personally love that she's sable/agouti with heavy brindle striping.
    She's got stripes down her legs and on top of her head too, but they are fading a bit because her face and feet are graying early bigtime. This is a pretty old pic, but it shows the ones on her back/sides well. :)
    [​IMG]
     
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    I saw a couple Sibe heavy pinto and merle sled dogs in the shelter last winter. Omfg I wanted to take them home! More from the retarded husky grins though ecause I don't usually care for merle or mostly white dogs. ;)
     
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    I love black and tan huskies so much.
     
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    Srsly, black and tan huskies are gorgeous!
     
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    Definitely! I wish black and tan were more common. I love high (but not necessarily loud) pinto's too, like Lily. Just the perfect amount of white. And the brindling is cool, too. I've definitely noticed it on Agouti's, even on some Wolf Grey's, and it's super neat, IMO. I wonder if it's just harder to see because of the longer hair.

    Merle doesn't exist in purebred Sibes, though. Only from outcrossed lines. I'm not entirely sure why someone is trying to breed it in. We have ZERO health issues from the naturally occurring colors. Why mess that up for the sake of "pretty"? Sigh.
     
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    Probably so. I know Lily's coat looks like I just raked it and left rake lines even when its been two weeks, lol. Her coat texture is a bit more GSD than Sibe... its interesting.

    Its really common to breed BC's into distance sled dogs. Probably thats how. It probably wasn't bred for color, but for mushing.
     

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