Ok, so I've noticed something about these two breeds. The European style Rottweilers and Dobermans look a bit over sized. Is that normal and acceptable or is "European" just an excuse to breed extra large dogs? To be honest, I like rotties and dobes to have a somewhat heavy bone structure. But not too big to the point of looking mastiffy. I see a lot of dobies that tend to be very small and dainty in particular, even males. Some males I see look like females to me. I am so confused because I look at one breeder and they have champion dogs that look overly massive, and then I check out another breeder and they have smaller dogs that are champions also. Huh? Are the standards that loose? Maybe why I like the heavier dogs is because they seem to have better head pieces. The smaller ones have softer features. I dont know if thats a coincidence or not. Heavier dobies seem to have better chests on them. I am not familiar with the breed standards, but I plan on reading up on it. I have included pictures for this thread. First are the rotties. These dogs seem a bit too big to me, but I believe some of them are even champions. How do they look to you? Adult male. This guy is only 14 months. This boy is only 13 months. This is a female. She looks kinda masculine to me. I dunno. I could be wrong.