English Shepherds vs BCs/Aussies

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  1. Sekah

    Sekah The Monster.

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    I've been musing on a few forums about a possible future sport dog, and I had someone suggest an English Shepherd to me. I know very little about the breed, so I'm looking for a bit more information.

    Basically what I'm looking for is an agility/obedience/flyball/performance dog. I'm a herding dog nerd, and have been toying with whether I want another Aussie, a BC, a Koolie or something a bit different like a Mali, Terv or GSD. Cohen has opened so many doors for me. I love her versatility, her work ethic and her desire to please. What I want is a relatively high drive dog who is snappy in everything that it does. Basically I want a more intense dog.

    But I also love Cohen's self control. She's able to work around other dogs in high distraction/energy situations. She's mildly reactive, but it's a non-issue while working. She's cautious/anxious around other dogs, but confident/indifferent around people.

    I think a Border Collie will end up being the next dog for me. I like their drive and the sharpness of their responses. I should be able to find a dog from a line with minimal reactivity issues if I look.

    How do English Shepherds compare? I always thought of them as similar in temperament and drive to Aussies. Most Aussies I meet are too soft and slow for my liking. I think I lucked out with Cohen, as she has a much better work ethic than many I've seen, especially when contrasted to her decent self control. I really want something similar to her, but just a little "more" I guess.

    Thanks guys!

    E: I also wanted to add that I prefer my dog to be stuck to my side like glue. More independent dogs are a bit of a turn off.
     
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  2. Sit Stay

    Sit Stay Not a Border Collie

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    If you want something high drive with lightning fast responses, an English Shepherd probably wouldn't be your best bet. Quinn is higher drive than most, very fast and responsive with an amazing work ethic, but she is very much a thinking dog and this is very typical of the breed. They will think about what you've told them and process it - similar to a GSD. They are willing and aim to please but will not always follow blindly
    - they will question you if they don't understand the purpose of a drill or get bored with it.

    I'm on my phone so I can't write a novel, but there have been at least 2-3 threads in the past comparing ESs, BCs, and Aussies. My first instinct is that a BC would be a better fit :) I'd hate for anyone to be unhappy with a sport prospect - there is a lot of variety in the ES breed, I've come to realize that I'll have a hard time finding a male as intense and drivey as Quinn.
     
  3. LostAndConfused

    LostAndConfused Active Member

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    I'm going to agree with Sit Stay here. If you want something more drivey than your Aussie I would think a Border would be more up your alley

    I wanted the exact opposite, which is why I went with an ES, lol. Well maybe not the exact opposite, but I find Borders too intense for my liking so I looked at the more mellow & general farm dog type breeds.
     
  4. AdrianneIsabel

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    BC sounds like a great option.
     
  5. Dogdragoness

    Dogdragoness Happy Spring!!!!

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    There is also the cattle dog... My breed. I'm also on my phone & outside T work right now so my cold fingers won't allow for much typing lol but you can google them for info if your like.
     
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    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    I think you could also find what you wanted in a working style aussie too if you wanted to stay with aussies.
     
  7. MandyPug

    MandyPug Sport Model Pug

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    What venues do you want to compete in? Unless you tried to pen an ES as a BC you couldn't do CKC rally and obedience and Koolies likely couldn't pen as any recognized breed. So it's something to consider. I know Ontario has much more option wise for obedience than Alberta but still keep it in mind.

    Otherwise I'm a sucker for a good border collie. Love them and the way they work.
     
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    Julee UNSTOPPABLE

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    I'd definitely go with a BC. I've noticed the same thing with Aussies - I love them to pieces, just not drivey enough for me.
     
  9. SaraB

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    I know several working aussies that are right up there with the intensity of working bred border collies.
     
  10. Laurelin

    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    Me too.

    Heck, I know some really nice show bred Aussies too. I was admiring two of them last night.
     
  11. Kilter

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    The only thing I'd suggest is not going for a 'fad' breed that's rare if it's going to be pick and choose for breeders because there isn't many. I see that happen way too much, where someone could get a nice working golden with all the clearances but really think they want a curly coat so go for one where the parents don't have hips done, or they import a fancy dog from overseas and realize there's a reason the breeder was more than happy to ship the dog off.

    If that makes sense at all.
     
  12. AussieLove

    AussieLove Radical.

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    All I will say is that you can find what you're looking for within Aussies if you know what lines to prod around in.
     

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