LOL boston.. Ask them if they wean punishment. HAHAHA. So if some day the dog doesn't listen do they stand there and think 'darn, I can't punish (stave, leash pop, yell etc) at the dog, cause I have weaned off punishment now that my dog is TRAINED. That I would like to see.
They think its ok to use P+ for the rest of the dogs life to keep it tuned up. But heaven forbid if we use treats (and of course all educated people know that treats means toys, food, scratches, or what ever the dog deems valuable) to occasionally tune up a trained dog!
I once had a client who had done obed training with this guy. She had a wonderful dog. But she adamanty wouldn't use a clicker (that was before I made it mandatory) or food. Only toy rewards. Problem was she handn't built enough toy drive in the dog. The other dogs in the class progressed so nicely (and M Morrison if you are reading NO ONE IN MY CLASSES EVER LURES... luring is stupid and ineffective) using effective R+. Her dog wouldn't work and she wouldn't change. She blamed her poor dog. (never once really getting in through her head that if her training method isn't working for her dog... maybe she should re think it)