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Dang! Another long post, but we need help!

We need recommendations for good training sites, books, videos... anything! We started out well, we thought, with Mickey, but, unless there's a trainer or class nearby that we haven't discovered yet, the nearest obedience class is in Phoenix, over an hour's drive away. The county humane society has no building or formal programs; it's basically just a bunch of good folks who take strays home to foster. (Our town's so small that we have one vet, who took on as many of the other, now-retired vet's patients as he could handle and can't take any new ones. A mobile vet clinic comes up from the Phoenix area each Wednesday to try to take up the slack.) So we're trying to do basic obedience on our own. We've gone through all the usual puppy woes over the past month and a half: chewing, digging, potty training mishaps, and, to top it off, the poor thing has demodectic mange, so we're dealing with the shampoo and dip routine every other week. We know she feels icky, so we've gotten lax on the "formal" training. Wrong, I know, but, for the first few weeks after she started scratching, she was so miserable that we basically just let her snooze, scratch, and play.

Now we need to get back into a routine, because she seems to have forgotten what she had learned. Sure, she's a blond, but she's having more than her fair share of "blond moments!" We had worked with her on not confusing us with her chew toys, and she had gotten to the point where she'd mouth our hands but not actually use any pressure. Now she's nipping again. My husband had been taking her on long walks (rolls on his part, in his wheelchair) which she really enjoyed, since there are several horse corrals on their route. There are three miniature horses in one pen near the road, and they and the Mick like to sniff each other through the fence. We think she thinks they're very odd big dogs. Jamus had put the long walks on hold 'til she felt better, but, when he took her out again, she had apparently forgotten all about how to walk with the chair and got her toes pinched a couple of times with the front casters. The next evening, she was near perfect again.

Then, Saturday morning, he took her out for potty time and, because we were going to a "no dogs" event, tried to get her into her kennel. Because our trailer is so small, he uses a cane or crutches in the house. Mickey pulled so hard on the leash that she actually pulled him off his feet. (Which is amazing, because he's 6'4" and over 300#, and she weighed in at 41# a months ago! He's very unsteady on his feet, so that made it easier for her, even as big as he is.) I was here in the computer room and heard him fall in the living room. He has a few bruises and scrapes and suspects he tore the meniscus in his good knee; I can't get Mr. Stubborn to a doctor. He vowed he was taking the dog back to the pound, that she's unmanageable and untrainable.

I've gotten her a reprieve for now, because I refuse to give up on a dog because of our mistakes. But we can't let her cause another fall, either. She's a sweet dog, loveable and fun -- we had snow a couple of weekends ago, and she was a hoot trying to catch snowflakes on the deck! -- and I hate to rehome her. Worse, if she did go back to the pound, no one is going to adopt a dog who looks as if some drunk tried to shave her and left a blond mohawk. I mean, the poor baby's all but bald! When we adopted her, she was only a day or two away from euthanasia, and I won't let her end up back there. My husband told her this morning, "You better be nice to the Mommy Person, 'cause she's the reason you're still here, pup!"

I love the dog, but I love the husband, too, and I'm nearing my wit's end. We've taken to calling her Ms. Hyde, because she certainly doesn't act like the same pup we brought home. She sees the vet again Wednesday, and I'm tempted to ask if the medicine she's on could cause behavioral changes. Besides the dip, she's taking hydroxyzine (Vistaril) which should actually have a bit of a sedative effect on her; when I worked in hospitals, we gave it to alcoholics to help them through drying out. I see, though, that, in humans, at least, it can cause "confusion, nervousness, irritability...." You can bet that I'm going to ask the vet about that. I'm also going to ask if she can be tested for something like hypothyroidism that might cause the immune system deficiency that helped the little mange mites get such a good hold on her. We feed her IAMS Smart Puppy and add brewer's yeast and fish oils, so I don't think her diet's the culprit.

Any advice you kind folks can offer would be wonderful and much appreciated. I love this pup -- my husband does, too, when he's not getting dumped on the floor by her -- and we want to do what's best for her.
 

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First thing I would be looking at is her diet, have a look on the food thread on here. IAMs is really not going to help her, its full of additives and Im sure there are a lot better foods for her in the US and Im sure the folk in the US will be able to advise on what is available.

The other thing is as you have trained her once go back to what you were doing, back to basics really including crate training.

Well done for giving her a chance.
 

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Hey there,

I would try working on one command at a time, and practice practice practice..

remember that dogs are little young children that are just learning words. If you want her to know a new word, such as, Bisuit or Bone, you need to hold up the bone and say Booonnee in a pronounced way, so she can see what is is etc.. you can do this with alot of things, such as water, food, names of her toys, park, outside, pee, walk, etc..

It took me many hours with my Golden but he knows about 200 words now.

It gives the dog alot of confidence because he can participate in what is going on, and understand you. It makes him feel so good..

Our speaking basically sounds like a foreign language to dogs.. impossibly fast and impossible to figure out with help.
When you speak to your dog, try to use short sentances and empthasie on the word your dog knows.. like, want to go for a WALK?
Do you want some WATER? Go get your BONE!

It's really really easy once you figure out how dogs learn things.
she can't learn anything without you showing her and repeating repeating repeating. Even a slower dog can learn with many repititions. Some dogs need 5, some dogs need 50. All dogs can learn.

Once you have all the basic words down you can start teaching tricks even.. such as Play Dead, Turn off the Light, Dance, etc.. thats sure to please your husband :)

Its alot easier than it sounds!! my dog can do them all, and he really enjoys it . He wouldn't do it if he didn't :)

If you would like, I have an EXCELLENT ebook on teaching words and commands to your dog.
Please email me at [email protected] if you'd like to have it.

The most imporant thing is CONSISTANCY. Remember your dog doesn't think in terms of right and wrong, at all. Its not fair to expect her to know whats morally right or wrong. To say, don't you know i am sad? Do you feel badly? the dog has no clue. hehe.

Basically, if the dog does something and there is a reaction that is not pleasent, they probably will not want to do that anymore after a few times.

You have to be firm, and consistant. An example.. your dog is chewing the couch. Clap your hands and give a firm, low, loud, NO!
The dog will look and be suprised. Thats the reaction you want. You can also use a fly swatter or something to bang the table, and suprise her. She probably wont like it much at all!!

If it does not bother her, there are other methods to try. Don't ever hit your dog. Shaking pennies in a tin can is something not pleasent for her to hear. Also, tossing a rolled up pair of socks so it bouces off her butt. That doesn't hurt but isn't pleasent. Or you can get a water pistol, a powerful one, and squirt. These are all things to try.. you want her to get a unpleasent reaction to her behavior thats going on. Also, choose what word you will be using and be consistant. everyone in your family should use the same word.. weather its NO, UH UH, or whatever. The closest sound to a mom dog's growl is OUT.
It sounds weird but it is.

If your dog will not behave, (and if its not showing any serious agression) Grip it on both sides of its head (not too hard) look into its eyes sternly and growl NO. Hold it until its still.

If your dog is at all agressive, DO NOT do that. You need professional help at that point.

Anyways, i hope that helped a bit. If you want give me an email i can give you some advice. My Zac was an insane puppy too and I know how hard it is! Now i am really proud of him, hes a really good dog. He has a few faults but he is very good. :)
 

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What kind of dog is she by the way?

I have crate trained both our dogs, our new puppy is crate trained and we have had him for a week. I can tell you our methods if you like.
 

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I would get a prong collar for walking. That will immediately help with the pulling.
 
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I would get a prong collar for walking. That will immediately help with the pulling.

I cannot say that I agree with that. My dog on a prong collar shuts down. once he hits the end, if it causes pressure, he will sit and not move. at all. I had to physically pick his butt up and move him after he would hit the end. With training I am sure that he would do well, but with the collar I am not so sure.

I do not know what is in globe, I am in mesa, But i will do some looking around and see if i can find something. I do not know how your financial status is (and I did not see the age of your dog) but there is a "leave the dog with us for a week" place in Tucson that my boss had wonderful results with. I do not even know where globe is in relation to PHX, but there are awesome places in east valley, and I am sure that there are some in south, west and north, also. That would probably be better than trying to get INTO phx. anyways, please let us know.

If you do find that you have to re-home him or her, please let me know if you are just going to send him to a shelter. While the wife has told me no more dogs, I MAY know some people that would love a dog, and provide a great home for him.
 
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I do not know what is in globe, I am in mesa, But i will do some looking around and see if i can find something. I do not know how your financial status is (and I did not see the age of your dog) but there is a "leave the dog with us for a week" place in Tucson that my boss had wonderful results with. I do not even know where globe is in relation to PHX, but there are awesome places in east valley, and I am sure that there are some in south, west and north, also. That would probably be better than trying to get INTO phx. anyways, please let us know.
A fellow Zonie! Globe is an old mining town up in the mountains; we're about 80 miles from PHX and 100 from Tucson. You hit 60, pass Apache Junction, and keep climbing! I've never lived in a town this small before (about 7500 folks,) and I keep marvelling that we have 1 vet, 1 groomer, apparently no trainers, etc. Besides the supermarkets and Wal-Mart, the only places that sell pet food are the tack and feed stores. The pound here doesn't even offer cats for adoption. They told us that all the cats they encounter are feral, so they just put them down. If there are kittens still young enough to socialize, one of the art gallery owners in town fosters them at the shop until they can find homes. And the folks at one of the propane companies has a cattery where you can adopt a cat; they also foster some dogs. There is simply very little in the way of organized animal rescue or pet care up here. Most of the dogs in town seem to fall in to two categories: hunting dogs or herding dogs. It's probably a very different world than a lot of folks here on the board are used to, as far as companion animals are concerned, for I know it's a new one to me.

I looked into Arizona Humane Society in PHX, but the only classes they're offering right now are a class for young puppies (up to 4 months old,) pet CPR, and a class for what sounds like the dogs who visit hospitals, nursing homes, etc. Mickey's about 6 months old now, if the pound's guess on her age is correct; her vet seems to think it's accurate, too. So she's too old for their puppy class. The Humane Society of Southern AZ, in Tucson, has basic obedience, but it's just over 100 miles from us. It takes us about 2 hours to drive to Tucson, so that would be a 4 hour round trip -- hard on us and the pup!
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What kind of dog is she by the way?
She's either a yellow lab or a mix. Since she was a stray at the pound, we have no way of telling for sure if she's purebred, although I think she looks it. Well, she doesn't right now, with the Demodex: she looks like a canine version of Mr. Bigglesworth, Dr. Evil's hairless cat in the Austin Powers movies. Pretty sad-looking.... Thanks for the tips about reinforcing our "no's." I have to admit that she usually seems pretty oblivious to them. She understands "off" pretty well, though, unless she's just so excited that hopping on her people seems like too much fun to pass up. She's been doing really well again with "sit" the past few days, so I'm hopeful. We looked for a Kong the other day, with no luck, but we did find a sturdy hard rubber fire hydrant toy that can be filled with treats. I stuffed it with peanut butter and treats and froze it, and she thinks it's a great toy! That keeps her busy and amused when we can't be right there with her, so I hope that will cut down on the chewing of less wholesome goodies, like our garden hose. And the cable from our satellite dish into the house. Both have been victims of puppy teeth! Our yard is now full of odd wooden crates and boxes covering everything that can't be moved that we think might tempt her. When she's inside, we can keep an eye on her and distract her with toys -- she adores playing catch and tug-o-war -- but, left on her own, she's a chewing machine! She's not caught on yet that her postprandial walks are the time to potty, so we've been putting her in the yard for awhile after she eats, so she can potty at her leisure. But that's when she gets into mischief, because those big two-legged critters aren't watching her.
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First thing I would be looking at is her diet, have a look on the food thread on here. IAMs is really not going to help her, its full of additives and Im sure there are a lot better foods for her in the US and Im sure the folk in the US will be able to advise on what is available.
When we took her back to the vetmobile Wednesday, her doc asked about her diet because I asked if we should be giving her a vitamin supplement, especially while she's fighting the Demodex. When I told him she was eating IAMS, he told me that was fine and she didn't need anything additional. I mentioned that folks here apparently didn't think much of IAMS, that the consensus seems to be that it's not much better than supermarket brands, but he "pooh-poohed" that. Boy, now I'm really confused! LOL Again, we suffer from "small town syndrome" where pet food's concerned. We have seen Nutro at one of the feed stores, and might switch to that. I used to feed my senior cat Nutro, and she seemed to do very well on it.
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I would get a prong collar for walking. That will immediately help with the pulling.
One of our vet's techs suggested that on our visit this week. Neither of us is familiar with one, but, from what I've read on other threads here, it seems like a very good idea. We're a little concerned about using one while she's so bald -- my husband says she looks like some drunk with clippers tried to give her a mohawk -- but I think we're in for a trip to the closest Petco or Petsmart in search of one, even if we hold off on using it until she grows some hair back on her neck. Would it hurt her to use one on her pretty-much bare neck?

I just looked at the Petco and Petsmart sites, and the nearest stores with obedience classes are in Mesa. That's not a horrid distance -- about 55 miles away or so -- but we're both on fixed incomes (disability) and the gas usage would hurt. Still, it would only be once a week for a couple of months or so for basic obedience and might turn out to be our only decent option. The Demodex just throws a big monkey wrench into everything! I have a feeling that no class is going to accept her until she's over it, and she's just broken out in the pimply stage and been started on antibiotics again. I know it's not the contagious form of mange, but I can imagine that no other dog owner is going to be comfortable with a bald pup who looks like a teenager with a bad case of zits hanging out with their dog. And, with her immune system obviously out-of-whack, I'm not sure that I'd want her around other dogs right now anyway. She's due for at least another two months of dips and treatments, and that's going to put her 'way behind if we wait until we can get her into a formal class. Petsmart does offer private training, so we might have to look into that.

The Mick is probably going to be a good-sized dog (she weighed in at 44.6# Wednesday,) and a large, untrained dog is no treat for anyone. Thank heavens she's an absolute sweetheart without an aggressive bone in her body! Our nearest neighbor has two little girls who love for my husband and Mickey to stop by when they're out for a walk, and Mickey's been a jewel with them, although they do get a laugh out of her bare state. She gets a little rough with us still with her mouthing, and we're working with her using the ideas we gathered from Dr. Dunbar's articles, for which I owe RedyreRottweilers great big thanks. She's much better at judging how hard she's nipping, although she forgets sometimes when she gets excited playing. The more I work with her, the more convinced I am that her previous owners took her from Mom much too young. I refuse to make the dog pay for stupid human mistakes; it's not her fault. I just want her to have a long and happy life with us. You can tell she really, really wants to please us. She just isn't sure how to do that yet. I'm so glad I found this board and all you great folks!
 

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As far as I know there is nothing in Globe. What are the other cities closest to you? I'm all the way in Casa Grande.

Petsmart classes would definitely be better than nothing, and if you can just get a couple of sessions with a good trainer, it might help you tremendously to understand Mickey and help modify her behavior. (BE CAREFUL with trainers, though. If you don't feel comfortable with them or don't think that they know what they're talking about, it's best to just stop and leave.)

Sorry to hear about the Demodex! Poor puppy. :(
 

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Hey there-

As someone applying to vet school in the very near future I can tell you one thing for sure- most vets aren't as well-versed in the nutritional needs of animals as you would like to believe. Vet schools often receive a great deal of funding from the makers of Iams, Pro-Plan etc. and fill textbooks with nutritional information that pushes their own product. Many veterinary offices push products from substandard brands because they get a kickback for doing so.

If you're interested in changing your girl's diet I would look at something like:

Innova Evo
Natural Balance
Solid Gold
Wellness
Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul

etc. etc.

While they're a bit more expensive- it evens out in the end. You end up feeding less (thus, spending less) because they've got less fillers, AND the added benefit of less excrement (who's gonna argue with that?? :) )

Good luck with your girl!

EDIT to add- just realized you're in a small town with not a lot of options- Nutro would definitely be better than Iams- always worth a shot!
 

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Hi roisindubh -

Sounds like you took on quite a handful! Your girl is lucky to have found someone willing to deal with the demodectic mange. You're probably right in that the training classes wouldn't want to have her there until she is cleared up more. And your thought on not exposing her to other dogs because of compromised immunity is valid too.

The bad thing is that she probably really needs the socialization as much as anything, but you do have to work with what you've got.

One of the first things I think you need to address is safety around your husband. It's hard when you have physical limitations and an energetic dog! I went through a pretty rough time a year ago with a flare-up of rheumatoid arthritis (an auto-immune disease) and I had just gotten a new pup. The amount of pain I was in made it very difficult to work with the puppy, but I found that there was a lot I could teach her without using a leash or collar at all. She learned all the basic obedience commands without leash and often with me sitting down. The only tough thing was the walking on a loose leash, and I was just persistent. I didn't use a corrective collar and overall she is very good. I'm considering a gentle leader harness, however, because everyone I've talked to who has used them has found them to be really great to use. A harness would disperse the pressure across different areas of your dog's body, too, and might be easier than a collar. This particular harness has a ring at the chest area so if the dog tries to pull they end up turning back towards the person (which usually ends the pulling).

I would really recommend that you try some attention training exercises with her and go from there. You can see the basic steps for these at http://www.kippsdogs.com/tips.html. The attention training should be done by both you and your husband so she learns to respond to both of you. You might also take a look at the pack hierarchy section and see if adjusting her status in the "family pack" might help her respect you both a bit more.

Stuffing the toy with treats is an excellent idea and a great one to use in the kennel too. If you use a lot of treats in conjunction with the kennel it will probably be easier to get her to go in (and hopefully avoid the type of incident that happened with your husband - ouch!). You might toss treats in and leave it open for her to go in and out for a bit too. I like that all of my dogs willingly go into a kennel. It makes it much easier when I have to kennel them for some reason. In fact my youngest chow chooses to sleep in her wire crate (door open) at night - she uses the sides of the crate to brace against and sleeps upside down .. *L*

You have a pup there that is going to get more rambunctious before she settles (most likely, given her breed). The more you can get her to want to listen to you now, the better. Even if you don't think you have problems with her status in the pack, it wouldn't hurt to implement some of the "rules" on that page in order to have a better hierarchy as she gets into her "teenage" time. Her energy level will probably go up and she'll be a handful! But it can be worked through and in the long run she will settle and become a sweet adult dog.

Good luck with her, and hope it all goes well. Bless you for taking on this girl!

Melanie and the gang in Alaska
 

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Many veterinary offices push products from substandard brands because they get a kickback for doing so.
I've seen people state this before, and in all honesty I worked as a vet tech in an active veterinary clinic for many years and there was no "kickback". Science Diet and Iams did keep in good contact with the vets and were willing to deliver frequently so they made themselves more handy, but the kickback is an old wive's tale as far as I can tell. The other dog food companies rarely contacted the clinic and didn't seem very interested in promoting their foods in that venue.

Iams/Eukanuba used to be a lot better but they sold out. One of the problems I do have with both Iams and Science Diet is their use of artificial preservatives - I agree with you that there are better foods! If the original poster can get Nutro, I'd recommend that over Iams anyday. I've used Nutro with great success.

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I know there definitely is a kickback (not sure how much though) at a vet clinic my family uses back at home. I shadowed a few of the vets working there on several occasions. I had an honest conversation with one of them about canine nutrition (I was puzzled that they even bothered to sell anything from SD), and she ended up telling me herself. I'm sure it's not the same everywhere of course (and I probably made it sound as if that were so), but it has been known to happen. At any rate, the real issue is the fact that there are better foods out there, and the people I know that use Nutro seem to like the results they're getting too.
 
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Just an update to let ya'll know how it's going....

The advice in this thread (plus some gathered elsewhere on the board) has probably literally been a lifesaver! Actually, it probably saved more than one: Mickey's and my husband's. The pup's still with us, and it looks as if she will be for a long, long time. No pound! YAY!! And the husband (who'd complained that, for an animal whose companionship should help keep his blood pressure lower, Mickey sure seemed bent on giving him a stroke!) is enjoying working with her again; they're having a blast together!

We've been using Melanie's attention exercise with grand success, and the trick of only giving her her "special" treats -- like her bones and her Kong-clone -- when she's in her kennel has worked great. No more tussles to get her into her "puppy house!" We just say, "Time to go in your puppy house, Mickey!" (okay, so we say it as gleefully as we can, to make her kennel sound like a canine DisneyWorld; a bit smarmy, but I think she catches on to the "happy!" in our voices and thinks, "Wow, this must be a real good thing, getting to go into my very own puppy house!!!") as we go to get her treat, and, after following to the kitchen to supervise the Fetching of the Treat, she trots into the kennel happily. We leave the door open when she's out with us, and she's even taken to wandering into it on her own when she wants a nap.

A couple of days ago, I asked my husband to pass me something from across the room. Now, we have an older single-wide mobile, so, even if we're on opposite sides of the room, by s-t-r-e-t-c-h-i-n-g, we can pretty well hand each other stuff without getting up. On a whim -- since it was nothing that could harm Mickey (or vice versa) -- I asked Jamus to give it to Mickey and see if she'd bring it to me. Bless her heart, she trotted over the few steps and, on my "Give, Mickey!" command, dropped it in my hand. What a smart girl! And she's been a champion -- to us -- at her "Sits!"

It's been rainy and icky here the past few days (a blessing after nearly 5 months with no rain,) so she's not had much outside time except for potty time. Much as we need the rain, that stinks, 'cause we're eager to start recall training on the long lead with her. But she's not all hyper and edgy being indoors so much; I suspect that playing these new thinking games is giving her a different sort of "exercise" that she's also enjoying, so she's not the bored Destructo Beast she could be. And she's content to lie at "Daddy's" feet and snooze or sit with her head on his lap for petting and silly talk.

It's as if a whole 'nother dog's moved in with us! Or, rather, as if the pup we brought home has returned. Even the cranky old cat has actually ventured out of her computer room lair to snooze on the back of the couch while the puppy's in the same room. That hadn't happened since Mickey came here to live. Whether the cat has mellowed or she senses that Mickey has, I don't know -- probably a little of both -- but it sure makes sharing a house with the two of them easier.

Thank you, thank you, thank you! If I post a couple of recent pics of the Mick, will you promise not to laugh at her sad hairless state? :D She's definitely the canine version of a naked mole rat right now, although she's growing "peach fuzz" on her sides and legs. Hooray! Here is Mickey trying to catch snowflakes on our (then) unfinished deck when we had a freak snow storm earlier this month. She'd never seen snow before, of course, like a lot of the humans in central AZ, so she was fascinated by it.


Poor baby's not going to win any beauty pageants anytime soon, but we love her!​
 

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How absolutely wonderful for you and Mickey! Congratulations on your successes with her- it's always great to hear news like this. Keep up the good work, and keep us informed!

And she *is* a cutey (besides, I've got a soft spot for naked mole rats ;))
 
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We had a wee setback last night, but I think it was our fault. Okay, the husband's! LOL We picked up a web harness for the Mick yesterday, figuring she might not pull so hard with it as with a collar. She and Jamus took their evening walk/roll with it, but I didn't realize he left it on her when he put her in the "puppy house" for the night. He thought she'd get more comfortable with it if he left it on. Sure enough, when I got her out for her morning potty outing and breakfast early this morning, she'd gnawed the harness to bits. Well, not quite "bits," but it's toast. The only thing holding it on her was the belly strap. This girl is a cham-peen chewer!
 

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I'm sure glad to hear that things are getting better! Once we start doing things in a way that the dogs understand, they do become much more settled. Mental stimulation is as important as physical exercise.

And don't feel too bad about the harness. When I was younger, I did dog mushing for awhile and my dogs chewed up more than one harness along the line. Live and learn! *L*

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One thing to keep in mind with harnesses- generally they *encourage* pulling, as they distribute pressure more equally over the body. While you're training Mickey, I would steer clear of the harness and work on training her to heel on a leash and collar instead. Keep sessions fun, short, and packed with praise.
 

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tempura tantrum said:
One thing to keep in mind with harnesses- generally they *encourage* pulling, as they distribute pressure more equally over the body.
Never thought of that.... It makes sense that mushing dogs like Melanie's would take to a harness, then, since you do want them to pull. But what about the so-called anti-pull harnesses? Do they work? And if they do, are they more of a quick-fix than a real answer to the problem? I realize different folks will have different opinions on the subject, so I guess I'm just looking for the reasons why they've formed those opinions.

BTW, tempura, we moved from Everett WA last year, so "Hi!" to another dog lover in the soggy NW! Gotta keep your pups moving up there so the moss doesn't grow on 'em! :D
 

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Hehehehe! I'm actually not all that far away from Everett when I'm home with the parentals (I'm at school right now, so I'm in Oregon). I've never been a huge fan of rain or cold, and sometimes I DO worry that Tai is going to turn into a moss sculpture. :)

As far as the anti-pull harnesses- I've never had any experience with them, so I wouldn't want to definitively say whether or not they are worth it. Perhaps someone else here could help?

I can tell you this- in my opinion, better just to train the dog to walk appropriately on a leash and collar from the get go. It really can be a pain when you've got a strong young dog that enjoys taking you for a "drag" (my grandparents lab was a *nightmare* as a youngster, LOL), but the end results are worth it. An anti-pull harness is more of a quick fix/easy way out- and once you put a regular collar on the dog, you will *still* have a dog that pulls, so it isn't like there's any real gain in terms of training.

Generally, the people I see using these are doing so because the dog is *so* out of control, there isn't any other way to take it on a walk. But this doesn't really sound like the case with Mickey. It sounds like your girl has been very responsive with positive training techniques, so I urge you to go that route.
The other case in which I would actually advise a harness is in dogs in which a regular collar could cause damage to an already weakened trachea, but Mickey's lucky enough not to have that problem!

To teach my dogs not to pull I did this:

Walk forward confidently with your dog on lead, at whatever pace *you* wish (don't let the dog decide). If pulling begins, don't say anything, just turn around and go in the opposite direction. Continue to do this every time the dog forges ahead, and the dog will eventually start to realize that pulling will literally get them nowhere. When the dog begins to walk reasonably (no matter HOW short a time period that is), praise ECSTATICALLY!

You might also want to look into clicker training as well- I'm a huge fan, although it doesn't work for everyone.
 

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There's a really great "no-pull" harness available from Gentle Leader (they also make head halters for dogs). The harness is made with a ring at the chest and that's where you attach the leash - so as the dog gets to the end of the leash, they turn towards you and that effectively stops the pulling.

Some of the instructors at the training club are using these on dogs in classes that really pull, and they're having wonderful success. I may get one for my youngest dog for those days when she has more energy than brains and my wrists are sore (I have joint problems). She's a good girl, doesn't pull often but it doesn't take much when I hurt.

Melanie and the gang in Alaska
 

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