Dogs and Islam....Any Muslims here?

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I know some people who are Arabic and I think muslim. A few of them didn't seem to really like the dogs, but I remember a time where the man was outside with his young daughter and smiled and said hello while I was walking the girls. His daughter immediately yelled out, "LOOK! A doggie!" They're really nice people.
 
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I do believe we are above animals. But just because we are higher than they are does not mean we can hurt them - we're here to take care of them, and to train them to behave well.
 

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I do believe we are above animals.

Just wondering....why do you thing we are "Above" animals, especially animals that have been proven to have feelings. Not slamming you, I am just wondering what your logic is.
 
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Just wondering....why do you thing we are "Above" animals, especially animals that have been proven to have feelings. Not slamming you, I am just wondering what your logic is.
If we just let them do whatever they want, this world would be crazy. I think we were put here to care for them. We are meant to respect them and treat them well, not abuse them.
 

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I think you're forgetting that they WERE here before us and did WHATEVER THEY WANTED..and until humans started taking over, things were much better off..it was until we decided to build our factories, houses, and machines that the world started to go down hill.

I also don't agree that we are here to "train" the animals...unless you're talking about dogs...they're domesticated...and we expect them to integrate into our livestyles - therefore controlling and limiting their natural behaviors..but can you imagine training a grizzly bear or a lion? These are wild animals...and if we let them be, they would balance the cycle of life in their environments on their own.... if there is any unbalance in nature right now, its the fault of people and their introduction of new species into environments, habitat destruction, and exploitation of both environments and wildlife....

As for whomever mentioned that dogs are not mentioned in the best light in the bible....I think you probably meant the old testament...in the new testament, there are mentionings of the dog in a very positive light....and St.Francis is the saint of all animals - he's usually pictured as having a wolf/dog by his side in paintings/images...there are also church ceremonies called the "blessing of the pets" where you take your animals into the church and have them blessed by the priest...it happens every year :)

I think the important thing is to realize what era we live in...although this may sound somewhat harsh to some people, I believe it is ignorant to expect people to live today as they did say 2000 years ago..its unrealistic...times are changing and people are also expected to change their ways of living...women had no rights in many cultures (even in Europe) not too far back in history...

I get extremely upset and insulted when people say things like "dogs are dirty" or "dogs don't belong in the house"...they are personally insulting MY family members...what if I was to say "Don't let your kid touch me...its against my beliefs...I hate kids!"...???

....scientifically proven: Dogs saliva has half the amount of harmful bacteria that human saliva has.
fact: During the 2nd world war, people with open wounds would have their dogs lick the wounds...they would heal faster and prevented bacterial infections that lead to death...if you had a dog, you were lucky!

Today, although animals are (and this can be argued!) being treated better than they were in many cases in history, I expect that some day they will be integrated into family life even more and described as family members instead of private property...
 

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there are also church ceremonies called the "blessing of the pets" where you take your animals into the church and have them blessed by the priest...it happens every year
Aww hehe I took my hamster to one of those a few years ago! It was really cool seeing everyone bring their pets. :)

Different cultures will see things differently and you may not get an exact reason as to WHY. Many of you here probably think of rats as disease carrying, dirty animals but in India there is actually a temple devoted to the worship of rats (and while I wouldn't want to worship them, they are awesome little critters!), and I'm sure they wonder why "we" think they are dirty.

Why do some people think dogs are dirty? I don't know. Why do some people think my pet rat is dirty? ;)
 

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ok, let me start....
I guess I am the only Muslim in this web, or maybe the only one who is interested in answering this question and clearing people's view.
Well, as some of you know, I have THREE dogs who I love, pamper and care about. They don't eat chicken, rice or bones. They eat proper dog food, lots of DOG treats are given to them. They are given all the attention they need. Snowy travels with me to Germany every summer :)
About my country,
I come -and live- in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. It is a modern, open minded city. Many people who come from different countries and cultures lives here -British, Swedish, Americans, Germans....etc-. We have lots and lots of dog owners here, even the Arab locals -me and other people who are like me- owns dogs, too. We love our dogs alot, and don't think that they are dirty.
Our religion don't believe that they are DIRTY, but when it comes to prayer, you are right, they shouldn't be in the same place where we pray -not because they are dirty-. in Dubai, There are many dog shops and grooming places and lots of other things that are made just for dogs -Many of these shops are owned by locals -Muslims-.
Talking about how much I love and pamper my dogs, Snowy is joining a dog show that will be held here in Dubai on February 2006. I'm looking forward to it:)
 

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, but when it comes to prayer, you are right, they shouldn't be in the same place where we pray -not because they are dirty-.
Thanks for the response, You say they can't be allowed where you pray. Why? Do you have a special room for prayer?
 

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My boyfriend is from Dubai...well, he's originally from India, but he lived there for quite some time growing up. He said it is definately a beautiful country...I am looking forward to going there probably next year...I believe you..

I just don't understand why so many of the Muslims here are against dogs. I'm not saying it is the entire religion...but perhaps its a sect? Or maybe they are fundamentalists? I really can't explain it, and I'm not trying to judge. It just really gets to me when I get into the elevator of my apartment with my dog and I see people running out and saying "Don't let your dog touch my feet, its against my religion!" I guess it must be ignorant people in general. Its frustrating that I have to learn to accept their customs and traditions and let them be..and if I say anything I'm considered racist or intolerant..but when they say things against my family member, I'm expected to put my head down and not say anything? It just doesn't seem right...

I guess I just don't know how to respond to something like that...I'm a very tolerant person, and have an open mind to many things...I grew up in a family where animals were treasured and always treated as part of the family, and I was taught to respect everyone by my parents.
 

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I just don't understand why so many of the Muslims here are against dogs. I'm not saying it is the entire religion...but perhaps its a sect? Or maybe they are fundamentalists? I really can't explain it, and I'm not trying to judge. It just really gets to me when I get into the elevator of my apartment with my dog and I see people running out and saying "Don't let your dog touch my feet, its against my religion!" I guess it must be ignorant people in general. .
I have found in my life that people who are overly afraid of dogs are so for one of two reasons, First they have not experienced with them and they fear what they don't understand. The second group are people who abuse dogs and expect their feelings and behavior to be returned to them by strange dogs.

My above belief covers people of all groups that I have met and is not meant to be pointed at a religious group.
 

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Yeah I don't want to target anyone either..I'm just curious about why I have the experience that I do...maybe there is a specific reason? I don't know...I'm just asking...

GAH.. *hides*
 

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Thanks for the response, You say they can't be allowed where you pray. Why? Do you have a special room for prayer?
yep!! we have a room to pray at home. I don't really know the exact reason why they -the dogs- are not allowed. Maybe because it is a place to pray to God. I was born and taught in that way. What I am 100% sure that Islam don't think that dogs and other pets and animals dirty. We -as humans, and not only Muslims; all of us- must treat them well, and love them...:p
 

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I was told that in Islam dogs were considered unclean apart from the saluki who was given as a gift. From documentaries Ive seen salukis are kept in some of the grandest kennels you have ever seen!
 

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I was told that in Islam dogs were considered unclean apart from the saluki who was given as a gift. From documentaries Ive seen salukis are kept in some of the grandest kennels you have ever seen!
Saluki is an arabian dog. Our great-great grandfathers were using these dogs for hunting. Nowadays, there are few people who still own salukis -just few-..
When I see our history documentaries, salukis are always mentioned in it. So it is just like a traditional thing although people still own and breed them. Few of them still go hunting with these dogs.
I repeat and say that we don't consider dogs unclean.
 

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It just really gets to me when I get into the elevator of my apartment with my dog and I see people running out and saying "Don't let your dog touch my feet, its against my religion!"
No offense, and it's not against my religion, but I wouldn't want your dogs touching my feet either. Who knows, they could have licked their butt and then my foot - I don't know and I don't want to find out! I wouldn't want any strange creature - animal, human, whatever, touching my feet - it's an invasion of my personal space. For that matter, I would never let my dog touch your feet, either.
 

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No offense, and it's not against my religion, but I wouldn't want your dogs touching my feet either. Who knows, they could have licked their butt and then my foot -
I got a laugh out of that:)
I would never let a dog lick my face etc. it's a little gross seeing them cleaning their butt, and other "areas".

I was surprised to learn that our local childrens hospital have a high percentage of children sick after being in contact with dogs with roundworm. Dog Roundworm in children is dangerous. I always wash my hands after handling any strange dogs. I would never let a dog lick my face (they could have been licking their butt and have round worm eggs on their face).
Dogs do not have clean mouths.

How do roundworms cause disease in humans?

T. canis and T. cati pose a significant health hazard to people. Thousands of people become infected with Toxocara in the United States per year. How do people become infected? Humans become infected when they ingest infective eggs from the soil or from their hands or another object. Large numbers of the eggs can accumulate in the soil where dogs and cats are allowed to defecate. The eggs are sticky, and can collect on the hands and under the fingernails of people. Children, and others who may not have good hygiene, are most prone to becoming infected.

Remember, Toxocara eggs need to be in the environment approximately two weeks, before becoming infective, so direct contact with an infected animal generally does not result in transmission. However, young puppies may continually contaminate their entire litter area, and may even have infective eggs stuck to their coats. Adults and children who handle the bitch or puppies or who clean the area may be especially at risk.

If a human ingests Toxocara eggs, the subsequent larvae can migrate through the person's tissues. This condition is called 'visceral larva migrans.' The larvae most commonly migrate through the liver, lungs, and brain. They can cause severe inflammation and actual mechanical damage to the organs. Signs of this disease include an enlarged liver, intermittent fever, loss of weight and appetite, and a persistent cough. Asthma or pneumonia may develop.

A unique form of this disease is called 'ocular larva migrans.' Larvae migrate through the eyes and can cause vision loss or even blindness. Ocular larva migrans usually occurs in children 7-8 years old, whereas, visceral larva migrans occurs in children ages 1-4 years. The reason for the difference among ages is unknown.

To prevent human infection, good hygiene is extremely important. Teach children, especially, to wash their hands after playing and before eating. Do not let children play in areas where dogs or cats may have defecated. Cats should not be allowed to use sandboxes or the garden as litter boxes. Worm your pets as recommended, keep the environment clean, and control rodent populations.
 

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I got a laugh out of that:)
I would never let a dog lick my face etc. it's a little gross seeing them cleaning their butt, and other "areas". ?
In this world you have a lot more to fear than a dogs tongue, ever kiss a stranger (or heck someone you knew)? There are a lot more germs in a humans mouth and more of those germs can affect you. Most diseases prefer a set species. Being around dogs actually help you health

Check this link out
http://www.rlrouse.com/children-pets-allergies.html

Too clean of an environment is actually bad, you have to build some resistances by gradual exposure to "germs" during your life.

I have been licked in the face (although I don't encourage it) countless times in my life and I have been VERY healthy in my life (knock on wood).
 

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Well Amstaffer, I work with dogs, have been working directly with them for many years. I personally would never allow a dog to lick my face. I wash my hands before touching my face when working with strange dogs as well. Even working at the Vet clinic we were always cautioned by the Vets to be careful and wash our hands especially if we didn't know the dog.

Most diseases prefer a set species.Amstaffer
, this is why some zoonotic diseases are dangerous, especially some internal parasites as they cause more harm in a different host.

There are a few different diseases that can cause harm transported from animal to human.
Brucellosis
Ringworm
Leptospirosis

Just to name a few. Amstaffer, You can allow all the dogs in the world to kiss you in the face...that's your choice. I work with dogs daily I don't do this for my own safety:)

As you mentioned, yes pets are great for your health. They relieve stress, give you something to focus on etc.

I love my pets, and I know my pets are healthy. I just don't allow strange dogs to lick my face...and I take care to wash up afterward.
 

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Don't encourage (as said earlier) dogs, especially strange dogs to kiss my face but I don't panic if it happens and I view as about the same threat as shaking hands with a stranger.

For every disease you can find that you can catch from a dog I can find 50 that you will only catch from another "clean" human.
 

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Interesting thread. After reading the various post I seem to think that the dogs place in a society has more to do with goegraphy than religion. Think about it. Begining at the equator, dogs, with a few exceptions as noted in some posts, would have a hard time surviving in a harsh arid climate especially back in historical or prehistorical times.
The farther north or south you go from the equator dogs assume a more important place in those societies as working dogs. Eventually in the arctic regions the Inuit people rely heavily on their dogs for transportation and extra warmth ie "it's a three dog night".
Only in modern times have the working dogs evolved into family pets, and only in recent years have they become the "useless" pampered family members we all adore and care for. :)
This is only my observed opinion but it seems logical to me.
 

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