That seagull was right above the water when Vic arrived on the scene..39 degrees or not he hit that water like a tiger on the strike and swam out until he was a dot. He was trying to jump up as well as swim...he is a water dogmachine! He can go farther then the best labs and goldens out there ...he swims faster too! GO VICTOR! He still came out and ran hard for and hour and a half..He was so happy! here is Shaffer in profile..he is thin..i've seen thinner, but still way too thin.