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[Dekka]

I am sure they all look lumpy.. but she looks old. (at least in those pics)

My grandmother smoked everyday like a chimney, she was drunk every day by 5 (maRTINIS). She was the most wrinkled I have ever seen from being a sun worshipper and needing to have the 'perfect tan'

She lived to be 84. (now she was very lumpy... aka wrinkled lol) but do you suggest she would have lived a shorter life had she not ingested so many chemicals and carcinogens? She lived a long and healthy life. She didn't die of lung cancer, she didn't die of skin cancer, and she didn't die of liver issues. SO does that mean excessive drinking, smoking or sun exposure is a good thing?

 

[Dekka]

this dog is a rescue dog that is over 10 they think 12 (they don't know for sure) who knows what she has eaten in her life. She lived on the streets. Now yes she is younger be a couple of years or so, but she doesn't look squidgy and has a shiny coat!

 

[SizzleDog]

SO does that mean excessive drinking, smoking or sun exposure is a good thing?

No. But I'm not going to feed something that my dog does poorly on, for the sake of looking good on an internet dog forum.

Let's face it, there are a lot of things that can kill our dogs - kibble, raw, homecooked, vaccines, surgery, accidents, injuries, and just plain bad luck.

We all have skeletons in our closets, none of us are perfect. Some of us choose to feed food that's not up to the standards of other people, and to me that's fine - if it goes south, it's their loss - not yours. I'm not forcing *your* dogs to eat what my dogs eat, nor am I saying you should feed it. That's a personal decision you have to make, for your own dogs.

 

[SizzleDog]

PS - if you're critiquing the dog I posted for not having a shiny coat... she spends her days rocketing around, digging out gophers and rolling in pea gravel. She gleams when she's bathed, but not when she's coated in gravel dust and gopher-mound dirt.

 

[Dekka]

No one said you should feed something your dog does poorly on. Numerous times I have said that in this thread. But if my dog did poorly on a variety of styles of food of decent to excellent quality I would be having my dog checked out by a vet.

If your dogs coat isn't shiny with out all the added veggie oil then maybe the dog doesn't have a naturally good coat? I have had horses who have had less than stellar coats bloom on corn oil. But others who gleam on nothing but grass. (JRTs don't really shine so I don't have a dog example lol)

No one said you should feed something that makes your dog sick. Actually that was the point of what I am saying.

 

[Fran101]

No. But I'm not going to feed something that my dog does poorly on, for the sake of looking good on an internet dog forum.

Let's face it, there are a lot of things that can kill our dogs - kibble, raw, homecooked, vaccines, surgery, accidents, injuries, and just plain bad luck.

We all have skeletons in our closets, none of us are perfect. Some of us choose to feed food that's not up to the standards of other people, and to me that's fine - if it goes south, it's their loss - not yours. I'm not forcing *your* dogs to eat what my dogs eat, nor am I saying you should feed it. That's a personal decision you have to make, for your own dogs.

:hail: this.


charlie is fed pro plan, he is 10 years old and looks and feels awesome

on "premium foods" he used to have hot spots, allergies, stool problems, and was pretty much miserable. and look at him now

 

[Toller_08]

No. But I'm not going to feed something that my dog does poorly on, for the sake of looking good on an internet dog forum.

Let's face it, there are a lot of things that can kill our dogs - kibble, raw, homecooked, vaccines, surgery, accidents, injuries, and just plain bad luck.

We all have skeletons in our closets, none of us are perfect. Some of us choose to feed food that's not up to the standards of other people, and to me that's fine - if it goes south, it's their loss - not yours. I'm not forcing *your* dogs to eat what my dogs eat, nor am I saying you should feed it. That's a personal decision you have to make, for your own dogs.

I agree 100% with this. I haven't replied to this thread yet, but have read the whole thing. Keira's had nothing but problems on every premium food we've tried so far. She can do ok for a month or so, but no longer than that it seems. We had thought CalNat might have been the answer, but that didn't work either. Right now we're trying Acana Pacifica (grain free fish formula), and if that doesn't work, we'll be trying something of lower quality (probably Pro Plan). It'll be hard for us to buy that first bag if that's the point we get to, knowing what we know about dog food ingredients, but if that's what's going to work, then that's what we'll do.

 

[Renee750il]

I've wondered if the reason some of these breeds seem to do better on the low quality foods is at least partly because - probably inadvertently - they've literally been bred to them?

Kharma's relatively unscathed by breeding practices, and Bimmer's got enough wolf blood to balance out some of the human tinkering that's gone on in the breed, and they both have cast-iron stomachs as far as eating anything I would eat goes, even extremes like Chinese, Mexican, Italian, but let them get a mouthful of the crap my mother feeds her dog (she rotates between Pro Plan and an couple of others, the best being Newman's) and I've got two days worth of runs to deal with.

 

[jess2416]

No. But I'm not going to feed something that my dog does poorly on, for the sake of looking good on an internet dog forum.

Let's face it, there are a lot of things that can kill our dogs - kibble, raw, homecooked, vaccines, surgery, accidents, injuries, and just plain bad luck.

We all have skeletons in our closets, none of us are perfect. Some of us choose to feed food that's not up to the standards of other people, and to me that's fine - if it goes south, it's their loss - not yours. I'm not forcing *your* dogs to eat what my dogs eat, nor am I saying you should feed it. That's a personal decision you have to make, for your own dogs.

Ditto ^^

 

[~Jessie~]

My parents used to have Toy Poodle named Daisy... anyway, Daisy was on Pro Plan for her entire life.

Daisy was supposed to be Apricot colored... basically a cream color. She had orange spots on her legs/feet due to constantly chewing on them. She always smelled "doggy" within a couple of days after a bath. Her teeth were disgusting as well.

As a senior dog, she was diagnosed with congestive heart failure... the vet told my mom she had less than 6 months to live.

Whenever Daisy would get anxious or excited, she would start making a coughing/gagging noise due to her heart failure. Being that she was a poodle and had hair (mixed with a low quality food), she would need a bath weekly which caused anxiety. So everytime my mom bathed her she was worried that Daisy would end up dying right there in the tub.

I convinced my mom to switch to a holistic food, so she began feeding her Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul. Within a matter of weeks, the hotspots disappeared. She stopped smelling doggy, so my mom only had to bathe her once every couple of weeks.

She ended up living for 2 more years after that, too.

 

[BTmom]

I've wondered if the reason some of these breeds seem to do better on the low quality foods is at least partly because - probably inadvertently - they've literally been bred to them?

Holistic veterinarian Dr. Susan Wynn apparently touched on that.

I think Dr. Susan Wynn (known for her advanced training in herbal medicine) said it best. She believes that one diet does not fit all. For example, if a particular line of dogs is often fed ABC food, the breeder is most likely going to breed dogs that thrived and did well on that particular diet.


Raw diet advocates will often point out that commercial pet food has been around for less than a century.... hardly enough time for dogs to have gone through any evolutionary change in their digestive systems. OK, that makes sense, but Susan's point is that people probably have selectively bred dogs to do well on the type of food they wish to feed. I think that makes sense also. If the breeder feeds kibble, her line of dogs are being selectively bred (probably without thinking about it) to thrive on kibble.


I think this might explain why racing greyhounds seem to do best on a raw food diet, in my opinion. For one, they are fed raw meat prior to being adopted. It would make sense that the racing industry probably breeds greyhounds that thrive and do best with some raw meat in their diets.

Link: NEVER SAY NEVER GREYHOUNDS: Ask and You Shall Receive

 

[fillyone]

By the way, one of the most common reasons for poor poo is over feeding.
If you move to a higher quality food you're often increasing the calories etc in a cup of food.

Sometimes going to a 3x day feeding for a time wards off those runny poops and allows the dog to be stellar on that better diet.

 

[fillyone]

And now, :lol-sign: that will be the end of this thread because I often seem to be the thread killer on this forum!!!!

 

[Renee750il]

By the way, one of the most common reasons for poor poo is over feeding.
If you move to a higher quality food you're often increasing the calories etc in a cup of food.

Sometimes going to a 3x day feeding for a time wards off those runny poops and allows the dog to be stellar on that better diet.

Got that! Especially the grain free foods. I've found on the EVO RM that we need to actually feed LESS than what's recommended.

 

[PixieSticksandTricks]

I am sure they all look lumpy.. but she looks old. (at least in those pics)

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Dekka that dog to me doesent look any older than 8 or 9. I think your just stubborn. That Dobe looks great and not even close to 14 years old.

One of my biggest pet peeves are food snobs. I feed a higer quality right now. But there was a time I couldn't afford it and fed Purina without ANY guilt. Atleast my dogs weren't left to starve. And if I have to down grade one day I won't feel guilt then either.

 

[PixieSticksandTricks]

No. But I'm not going to feed something that my dog does poorly on, for the sake of looking good on an internet dog forum.

Let's face it, there are a lot of things that can kill our dogs - kibble, raw, homecooked, vaccines, surgery, accidents, injuries, and just plain bad luck.

We all have skeletons in our closets, none of us are perfect. Some of us choose to feed food that's not up to the standards of other people, and to me that's fine - if it goes south, it's their loss - not yours. I'm not forcing *your* dogs to eat what my dogs eat, nor am I saying you should feed it. That's a personal decision you have to make, for your own dogs.

:hail::hail::hail::hail::hail::hail:

 

[MafiaPrincess]

Dekka that dog to me doesent look any older than 8 or 9. I think your just stubborn. That Dobe looks great and not even close to 14 years old.

One of my biggest pet peeves are food snobs. I feed a higer quality right now. But there was a time I couldn't afford it and fed Purina without ANY guilt. Atleast my dogs weren't left to starve. And if I have to down grade one day I won't feel guilt then either.

I have no vested interest in this thread.. But I guessed the dog was 13-15 sitting here with Dekka. I don't think I'm stubborn. I'm glad the dog has made it to the age she has, as that is awesome for dobes. But I don't think it's the picture that screams feeding xy or z food produces amazing results.

I don't really care what anyone feeds. I would just like people to have their eyes wide open and realize and understand what is actually in what they are feeding.

 

[Renee750il]

I would just like people to have their eyes wide open and realize and understand what is actually in what they are feeding.

I think that pretty much sums it up. I will admit it irks me no end when I see these big corporations using the pet food market as a place to make high profits from waste that they formerly had to dispose of and pretending they are manufacturing something that's high quality. I really don't like being lied to and treated like I'm too stupid to do a little looking around or to see through the doubletalk.

 

[Dekka]

Dekka that dog to me doesent look any older than 8 or 9. I think your just stubborn. That Dobe looks great and not even close to 14 years old.

One of my biggest pet peeves are food snobs. I feed a higer quality right now. But there was a time I couldn't afford it and fed Purina without ANY guilt. Atleast my dogs weren't left to starve. And if I have to down grade one day I won't feel guilt then either.

First off I don't care what people feed. Its when people pretend there is nothing in it that could harm their dogs, and pretend like the other people are being mean and wrong for pointing it out. If someones says yep its full of carcinogens but I don't care.. at least they have their eyes open. Or if someone says I am going through a tight spot and my children are eating hot dogs and kraft dinner and the dogs are on dog chow.. I feel sad, but don't care. Its the people lying to themselves that frustrates me.

Now if you think that dog looks great what do you think of the dog I posted? It looks better than the other one AND its older than 10.

Now maybe because I travel in agility circles but I see lots of large older dogs (rarely dobes but still) that are in their teens who look fit and trim and gleam. I have seen a BC who looked 4 who was actually 14. And ran like he was 4. Most of these dogs are fed premium foods and are kept active. So to me that dobe LOOKED old. We guessed its age sitting here. Maybe to people who are used to older dogs looking older it might look good. Or if there had a been a pic with a gleaming coat (would still look squidgy.. but then would be shiny) we might have guessed a couple of years younger.

 

[drmom777]

First of all, my dogs eat Costco Kirkland, because that's what I can afford. They do well on it, but Uncle Fred needs more calories, so he gets eggs and oil--which consists of either vegetable oil or meat dripping, depending on what we are eating. If we ever have any income to speak of, they will go back to enjoying a mix of kibble and raw. We do the best we can.

That being said, I just want to comment on the idea that dogs can excrete fat that they eat and cannot digest unchanged through their skin. That's impossible. The digestive system does not work that way. If they can't digest it, it is excreted in stool. If they absorb it, then the body processes it. Those are pretty much the options. Just wanted to clarify.