Does it bother anyone else when rap singers steal music?

joce · May 3, 2006

The great thing is I can honestly say we have some of the loudest cars

I don't think we have ever lost a class(at least when we were ready and didn't have the car apart). If anyone in Ohio goes to the shows chazs boss has the group of crxs that travel around. Its the funniest thing. the shows are actually a lot of fun,you'd think they would be kinda boring but I like them

I don;t play it in the ghetto were a ton of people live. I wouldn't want my stuff stolen

I only play out out by my place in the middle of nowhere. Still bothers people but they bother me to so screw em. Its not fun to listen to tractors at three am eitheir.

micro202 · May 3, 2006

GlassOnion said:

That's kind of a narrow view of music. Were pop artists like Any Warhol not artists because they "sampled" their images?

Actually by in large, the production of electronic music and hip-hop are very similar processes with the same instrument base - samplers, synthesizers and sequencers.

There is also plenty of hip-hop that uses live instrumentation and even a lot that has no lyrics.

Renee750il · May 3, 2006

GlassOnion said:

It all comes around, GO. My Mom, before she retired, was an industrial nurse and did all of the hearing tests for the plant. She could tell who came to work in cars with loud stereos and could even tell if they sat on the passenger's side or the driver's side of the car . . . from administering those hearing tests!

micro202 · May 3, 2006

mojozen said:

I think I saw him spin at a party in Chicago.

GlassOnion · May 3, 2006

No idea. I don't know who Any Warhol is.

And what do you mean by images? Image as in a CD in .iso format (for electronic music)? Or image as in hair bands and the like?

Renee750il · May 3, 2006

GO . . . Go and enlighten yourself. Do a google on Andy Warhol and learn about the birth of pop culture

CanadianK9 · May 3, 2006

GO, andy warhol was a famous painting artist

GlassOnion · May 3, 2006

I thought you said he was a singer using electronic music?

Or well not said it, implied it.

Anyways he died a month before I was born, crazy. If I were artistic it'd be almost creepy.

Edit: Ah you meant artist as in paint brush, not artist as in music artist.

I don't think painting a can of soup counts as sampling though. It's totally different taking a real life image and putting it on canvas than taking a song's beat/rhythym and putting lyrics over it.

mojozen · May 3, 2006

micro202 said:

Micro it wouldn't surprise me! DJ WhiteRabbit is very missed here in Madison. He's currently living in Japan with his wife... and while we all wish him well, he was one of the best DJs madison had! Fortunately he's going to do a webcast on May 20th from Japan on a club night... and they are planning future ones as well. Once he starts a set the entire floor fills to capacity.,..

micro202 · May 3, 2006

GlassOnion said:

Is it really that different?

Look at the following painting by Warhol:

http://www.warholprints.com/images/artwork/full/FS-II.316.jpg

The image is taken from a a 15th century painting by Sandro Botticelli

http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/images/botticelli_venus.jpg

I was trying to use Warhol and other pop artists and how they fit in the visual art world as an analogy of how hip-hop fits in the music world.

They both take pre-existing ideas and emotions and twist them into something new.

While I will agree that P Diddy ripping a Police track is hardly innovative, there is plenty of other hip-hop that uses sampling as a creative tool where the sample is not the end, but rather the means to a new form of expression.

GlassOnion · May 3, 2006

Yah it is that different.

The painting requires brush strokes and talent. Ripping the tab/chords off the internet requires no talent at all.

What Warhol did was take a blank canvas and put his interpretation on it. What P Diddy did was take a canvas that already had the picture on it and put a dab of green here, and a dash of blue there.

jess2416 · May 3, 2006

B33CPE said:

First off, i cant stand rap music, i hate it, i hate hearing it on commericials and movies, in the car next to me etc.... and it has nothing to do with racism, i hate white rappers too, but i like kravitz and hendrix. so dont go there.

My biggest problem is when i hear a rapper "borrow" a great rock song. For example, puff daddy p. diddy whatever he is called stole Led Zepplin and sang over it, on the new charger commercial there are rappers singing over nazareth "hair of the dog", and i just recently heard some rapper singing over "crazy train". Does this bother anyone else?

Then people who love rap say how talented and skilled the rappers are, and say rock is crap. It just irritates me...

I love 60s 70s 80s and early 90s rock...even though i was only alive the last half of the 80s....
It makes me sad that there will never be any bands as great as zepplin, ac/dc, zz top etc again... i would also love it if the hair/glam band look would come back, like skid row, motley crue, poison etc........
I guess it all bothers me because music makes me so happy, and its a big part of me, i would die without it.

Music is doomed.....

Thats why there is a OFF button on radios and TVs so that you dont have to listen to it if you dont want too

GlassOnion · May 3, 2006

I hope not. I'm banking on our generation listening to rap when they grow up and then their kids rebelling against rap during their teen years and creating some good rock again.

zoe08 · May 3, 2006

jess2416 said:

Only you dont have a choice when the car next to you decides to blare their crappy rap...lol

At least its not for very long

jess2416 · May 3, 2006

zoe08 said:

LOL thats why I turn mine up

when you have no choice is the exception to that (what I said)

GlassOnion · May 3, 2006

Ditto. If the person next to me is being an ass I take out some Vivaldi, crank up the volume and get weird looks.

Other than that, I keep it within my car.

zoe08 · May 3, 2006

Yeah I usually try to blast my Johnny Cash that is playing...LOL....my Im to scared I'll bust my speakers, so I usually have to listen to 2 songs at once...and I dont think they can even hear mine which annoys me more cuz I have to hear theirs, but my speakers are just what came in my car and I admit they arent that great, but they work for just driving along in my car.

I endanger my ear drums enough at concerts so I try not to as much in my car...lol

micro202 · May 3, 2006

GlassOnion said:

Proper sampling requires a great deal of talent and is much, much more than ripping a loop from a previously recorded track.

And I'm not talking P Diddy here. Go fire up soulseek or whatever and download some DJ Shadow or RJD2. It's all done on a sampler, but you wouldn't ever guess it. Every track is dozens or even hundreds of tiny little samples that are stretched, pitched, effected, reversed and chopped up until almost nothing remains of the original sound.

but is that not what this is?:

http://www.rpi.edu/~turcoj/Timeline/Art History/andy warhol.jpg

GlassOnion · May 3, 2006

No idea, don't know what the original looks like.

And if nothing remains of the original song, then what's the problem? It's no longer even close to a cover.

sparks19 · May 3, 2006

I don't know why someone would want to spend so much money on a stupid stereo system for their car. i would much rather invest that $1000 plus dollars in my home. Something that actually matters and that I spend a lot of time in. I mean how much time do you spend in your car a day? 8+hours? otherwise its not worth it to me.

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