Docking

[Laurelin]

Okay not trying to start a debate but there is a debate on my other forum about showing undocked dogs in traditionally docked breeds. (I just don't want to get involved there). Someone said this as a reason that undocked dogs should NOT be allowed:

The fact is, many of these dogs, because of the generations of docking have in fact developed a tail with no working nervous system which means if the tail gets damaged the dog can't feel pain and therefore can make the damge worse resulting in an amputation which is FAR harder to recover from and has a HUGELY increased risk of infection.

True or not? It strikes me as extremely far fetched...

 

[Kat09Tails]

.... BS... absolutely BS. I've worked on poodles, hunting dogs, and spaniels undocked who definitely are able to live happy pain free lives with a fully feeling tail. There are dogs however who do routinely smack their tail resulting in "happy tail" while this could be a consideration in being tail whipped by a happy dobe or a boxer it's something that tailed dog owners deal with all the flipping time. I've seen more Labs with happy tail than any other breed. They still wag just fine, I've only seen one that had to have a tail nub removed, and there is more risk docking a newborn puppy than worrying about happy tail.

Docking has more of a tradition in tax evasion than it does in preventing that type of tail injury.

 

[Baxter'smybaby]

I can not even imagine that could have any validity whatsoever! That would be like saying humans arms or legs have no nerves since there are so many amputees. Ludicrous!

 

[Kat09Tails]

I can think of a similar thing we do to young boys generation to generation. Trust me... sensation is not lost down the line. *whistles and runs away* hehehe

 

[Beanie]

From an evolutionary standpoint that makes absolutely no sense. Physically and aesthetically modifying the body is not going to change the genetics involved. Ridiculous.

 

[Laurelin]

I can think of a similar thing we do to young boys generation to generation. Trust me... sensation is not lost down the line. *whistles and runs away* hehehe

:rofl1::rofl1::rofl1: Good point.

Yeah that's what I figured. Just thought I'd triple check before I made an ass of myself.

 

[Laurelin]

From an evolutionary standpoint that makes absolutely no sense. Physically and aesthetically modifying the body is not going to change the genetics involved. Ridiculous.

Wasn't it Lamarck with the giraffes?

I actually remember something from my two years wasted as a genetics major. :rofl1:

Lamarckism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JennSLK]

From an evolutionary standpoint that makes absolutely no sense. Physically and aesthetically modifying the body is not going to change the genetics involved. Ridiculous.

Exactly. You are cutting off something. You arent evolving. Not to mention in humans anyways the genetic make up of your future children is allready decided while YOU are in the uterus (your overies are allready developed). Something like that anyways. Its been a LONG time since I have taken anything to do with genetics.

 

[lizzybeth727]

Wasn't it Lamarck with the giraffes?

I actually remember something from my two years wasted as a genetics major. :rofl1:

I'm so impressed with myself... this is what I was thinking even before I got to your post. :lol-sign:

 

[Doggie07]

I just want to say in public speaking I did a speech about tail docking, arguing that it was a form of animal cruelty.

I still think so. I feel the same way about declawing cats, but that's just me.

 

[Kat09Tails]

I just want to say in public speaking I did a speech about tail docking, arguing that it was a form of animal cruelty.

I still think so. I feel the same way about declawing cats, but that's just me.

Based on what? Have you ever seen a docking done? a crop? how about dew claws?

Is lamb docking any less moral? Or is it more because it serves a purpose?

 

[AGonzalez]

I just want to say in public speaking I did a speech about tail docking, arguing that it was a form of animal cruelty.

I still think so. I feel the same way about declawing cats, but that's just me.

AND it's comments like those that end these kind of threads in a flame war. That wasn't the question -

To answer the question...PFFT!!! :rofl1:

If I cut my finger off, my future children will not have limited feeling in their fingers because I physically removed mine...that's the funniest bunch of BS I've ever read.

 

[Doggie07]

Based on what? Have you ever seen a docking done? a crop? how about dew claws?

Is lamb docking any less moral? Or is it more because it serves a purpose?

Based on research from academic sources. No I have not seen a docking done.

 

[AGonzalez]

Based on research from academic sources. No I have not seen a docking done.

Hey, how about keeping this thread on topic with the original question instead of citing in your opinion? There's plenty of threads on Chaz alone that if you want to go re-hash this again you're welcome to read.

 

[Doggie07]

Hey, how about keeping this thread on topic with the original question instead of citing in your opinion? There's plenty of threads on Chaz alone that if you want to go re-hash this again you're welcome to read.

:rofl1: Okay.

 

[Sapphire-Light]

Agree on the comments.

However Pompadour is docked and without dewclaws , I wish he could have them but I had a very hard time finding a good breeder to get a pup so I didn't had a choice.


I can see how dewclaws mostly dogs with back ones can have real problems if their owners are lazy and don't clip the nails.

I had seen dogs in real pain 'cause the nail got through the flesh since it was too long and the dog barely walked.

 

[Saeleofu]

There was a study done in one of the veterinary journals we get at work. It said dogs with docked tails get fewer tail injuries than undocked dogs. I'm not even kidding. I wonder how much of a grant they got to do that study

Gavroche definitely has a nervous system in his tail. If anything, he's more sensitive than other dogs I've been around. That's probably due at least in part to not having much hair on it to cushion it. He also has some mild stud tail. He certainly knows how to wag his tail!

 

[Saeleofu]

If I cut my finger off, my future children will not have limited feeling in their fingers because I physically removed mine...that's the funniest bunch of BS I've ever read.

Not if you ask Lamarck :rofl1:

Lamarckism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Lizmo]

There was a study done in one of the veterinary journals we get at work. It said dogs with docked tails get fewer tail injuries than undocked dogs. I'm not even kidding. I wonder how much of a grant they got to do that study

Wow. Doh. :rofl1:

On the other hand...I can't imagine having a dog with dewclaws on the REAR legs. Oh my.

 

[AGonzalez]

Not if you ask Lamarck :rofl1:

Lamarckism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe they'll inherit the want/will/desire to cut their own fingers off, but not a lack of feeling in the finger because I whacked mine off.