Disenchanted with Rescue

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My argument is that by being so rigid, they are only promoting back-yard breeding since folks can go and pay for a puppy with no problem and the price is often less than the adoption fee
Great point.

I just had a rescuer tell me:

DifferentRescue said:
That is just the way things work. If you are not willing to accept that you will not meet every dog you are interested in than go to a breeder, meet a littler of pups, pick one.
 

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The point is, as a rescue you get to decide which points you will and will not compromise on. We all decide which ones those are. Reading this thread, personally for me -
i WILL NOT compromise that the dogs will be indoor dogs. I do not agree with leaving dogs outside at all, be it in a kennel, a fenced in yard, or on a tether - at ALL unsupervised. I would never adopt a dog out into that situation, period.

I will not adopt out to families feeding crap foods. That is my opinion and my position.

I would make exceptions on a fenced rule depending on each dog and what their requirements are.

I would not adopt a puppy to a household that has a dog under 2-3 years old.

The fact is, if I have a rescue and I am setting up protocols, they are my animals to decide where they go (my being the rescue). We all have things we will and will not compromise on.
 

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The point is, as a rescue you get to decide which points you will and will not compromise on. We all decide which ones those are. Reading this thread, personally for me -
i WILL NOT compromise that the dogs will be indoor dogs. I do not agree with leaving dogs outside at all, be it in a kennel, a fenced in yard, or on a tether - at ALL unsupervised. I would never adopt a dog out into that situation, period.

I will not adopt out to families feeding crap foods. That is my opinion and my position.

I would make exceptions on a fenced rule depending on each dog and what their requirements are.

I would not adopt a puppy to a household that has a dog under 2-3 years old.

The fact is, if I have a rescue and I am setting up protocols, they are my animals to decide where they go (my being the rescue). We all have things we will and will not compromise on.
Possibly stupid question.. How do you weed out the liars? If you see the house, you'd know about a fence.. but how do you know that they will keep a dog inside only.. or feed a better quality kibble? They may say it.. but how do you decide who will actually do those things?
 
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Originally Posted by doberkim
I would not adopt a puppy to a household that has a dog under 2-3 years old.

Why not?
I am also curious about this. When we adopted Radar, Lilly was two and we were told that if we introduced them before she was three, she would be much more likely to accept him than if we waited until she was older
 

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I personally think some rescues are a little to strict but I also think people saying "oh i went to a one rescue and got turned down so now I am just going to buy from a breeder!" everyone is not willing to be patient and need a puppy or dog NOW. they don't take the time to look in local animal shelters or adopt a dog from say craigslist that needs a good home. They immediatly goto backyard breeders or petstores. I may not like the rescues rules but that just means you find another rescue or look else where. You don't have to go buy a puppy. I will never buy a dog from a breeder because I think there are way to many dogs in this world to breed more... just my opinion... people who flame rescues do not always understand their reasons behind their rules. My rules when I foster pit bulls... No same sex dogs in the household, no fence; no dog, dont own? better have landlord approval, own and have home insurance? they better aprove to! No unaltered dogs or other animals in the home, and no keeping my foster outside all day. I don't care if they have other animals unless the pit is animal aggressive, dont mind small kids, and i dont care what type of food they feed. As long as the dog eats and gets proper vet care and exercise. I am not judgemental but I will not give my dog to someone who doesn't understand the needs of the dog. I also require home checks...
 

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I am also curious about this. When we adopted Radar, Lilly was two and we were told that if we introduced them before she was three, she would be much more likely to accept him than if we waited until she was older
Which is why my puppy is hopefully coming in July.. few months before she is three..
 
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Rescues have every right to turn down as many pet owners as they want.

However, if you are turning down great homes then I dont want to hear rescues complain about how hard it is to home dogs. And I also dont want to hear rescuers complaining about people buying from breeders.

I am not directing this to anyone on here, just a general observation.
 

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I think that if people are complaining about rescuers or rescues then those people have a right to complain about people buying from breeders. It does affect rescues and animal shelters when people buy from breeders. -shrug-
 

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Rescues have every right to turn down as many pet owners as they want.

However, if you are turning down great homes then I dont want to hear rescues complain about how hard it is to home dogs. And I also dont want to hear rescuers complaining about people buying from breeders.

I am not directing this to anyone on here, just a general observation.
oooh re-read what you typed. Okay, yes if a rescuer turns someone down and then that person goes to a breeder they don't really have a right to complain. But I think it does bug rescuers when people goto breeders. We just know there is a dog perfect for them in a rescue or shelter somewhere. If all you want is a pet there is no real reason to goto a breeder IMO.
 

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oooh re-read what you typed. Okay, yes if a rescuer turns someone down and then that person goes to a breeder they don't really have a right to complain. But I think it does bug rescuers when people goto breeders. We just know there is a dog perfect for them in a rescue or shelter somewhere. If all you want is a pet there is no real reason to goto a breeder IMO.
How about those people who can't adopt from rescue? Should they not get a dog at all because they don't meet a rescuer's standards? There may be a perfect dog out there for them but what's the chance that an imperfect home will be able to adopt it?

Honestly. I have found it easier to get a dog from a reputable breeder -- not just someone with a litter on the ground, but someone who puts their very soul into their dogs and sells a little piece of their heart to everyone who gets one of their puppies -- breeders who don't part with puppies readily unless they know it's a fabulous home.

If rescuers don't want good homes buying from breeders, then they need to make their rescue dogs easier to obtain when compared to dogs from a reputable breeder.

I didn't mention BYBs or pet stores/mills for a reason. I don't think anyone should buy from one, regardless of who has turned them down. If you can't get a dog from a reputable breeder and rescue won't give you one either, get one from the pound and truly save a life.
 

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How about those people who can't adopt from rescue? Should they not get a dog at all because they don't meet a rescuer's standards? There may be a perfect dog out there for them but what's the chance that an imperfect home will be able to adopt it?

Honestly. I have found it easier to get a dog from a reputable breeder -- not just someone with a litter on the ground, but someone who puts their very soul into their dogs and sells a little piece of their heart to everyone who gets one of their puppies -- breeders who don't part with puppies readily unless they know it's a fabulous home.

If rescuers don't want good homes buying from breeders, then they need to make their rescue dogs easier to obtain when compared to dogs from a reputable breeder.

I didn't mention BYBs or pet stores/mills for a reason. I don't think anyone should buy from one, regardless of who has turned them down. If you can't get a dog from a reputable breeder and rescue won't give you one either, get one from the pound and truly save a life.
I do agree with you rescues should make it easier, but I do agree with some of their rules. Such as home checks and getting landlord approval. A lot of dogs get turned into the animal shelter because idiots don't check with their landlord first! Or they try to hide dogs and are surprised when the landlord threatens eviction. One of my mom's coworkers took a pit bull puppy home that the tow yard (where my mom worked as an accountant) found stray. They called me to take him but the lady decided to take him home without saying anything, he was gone before I got there. They took good care of him but never neutered him (he humped and marked a lot...uggh). Then eventually the landlord caught wind that they had a dog (not allowed in apartment) and threatened eviction. Instead of taking my advice and calling the local rescue (which would have taken him I called) or calling me she turned him into the shelter. The local shelter does not adopt out pit bulls (because they are stupid) so the dog was immediatly euthanized as soon as she let go of the leash. I cried a lot... he was only 6 months old. Beautiful brindle purebred pit bull puppy. such a waste. This is why rescues have rules, because people lie and get dogs when they shouldn't. Some rules prevent things like this for happening. I don't agree with some rules they have or having adoption fees higher than 150 dollars. But I do agree with home checks and certain other rules..

oh and about not adopting small dogs and puppies out to homes with small kids. Anyone with a small kid knows how they can be sometimes to rough. And puppies have very sharp teeth and small dogs are fragile. They could hurt the small dog. And they could be bitten by the puppy which sometimes causes parents to be all "he's aggressive" thats why we had a pit bull pup foster. The kids carried her around by her back legs and she bit the kid, and the puppy is to blame???? how about irresponsible parents?

I don't mind people researching the breed they want, locating a responsible and reputable breeder that doesn't churn out puppies like the mother is a breeding machine. I respect those people. They took the time and patience to look for the perfect dog or puppy for them. If more people did that instead of finding the first puppy breeder and purchasing a puppy because they have to have it NOW maybe there wouldn't be so many badly bred purebred dogs in the animal shelters. I detest puppy pet stores. I would never buy a puppy or kitten from one, and have no respect for those who do knowing about puppymills. I think if more people spayed and neutered pet quality purebreds (I.E. non show dogs...) only bred show quality dogs, didn't churn out litter after litter, if breeders spayed/neutered pet quality dogs, if there were more FDA investigators doing their jobs correctly and giving citations to puppymills and shut them down. We need strictor laws on puppymills and more strict laws about backyard breeding (not sure how exactly that would work just an idea), and rescues more geared on education and finding animals home. I think people are both to judgemental on both sides of the tracks... *breathes* okay I type a lot :D
 

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