Defence Dog

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  1. r0llin

    r0llin New Member

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    We have moved into a new neighborhood and we've heard about mugging
    and i was followed yesterday by two pervs the idea was proposed for me to
    by a dog , i have no opinion about the dogs size but i need a well trained do
    or one i can train for attacking at certain commands, thanks in advance

    ,samantha
     
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    r0llin New Member

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    sorry forgot a part i heard a lot about german shepherds but are they too dangerous and will attack any people that run from it ??
     
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    German Shepherds are excellent watch and guard dogs. They are suspicious of strangers they haven't been introduced to, yet are the most loyal, devoted breed to their family that I know of. Just get one with a good temperament - not a fear biter, or one that is overly aggressive. The dog needs also to be a part of your family - not treated like a protection dog that is never loved and brought inside. They thrive on family life and will protect you with their lives. Keep in mind that a dog is a HUGE responsibility, and needs REGULAR feeding, watering, walks, play, vet visits, etc. Dog ownership is NOT to be taken lightly! For the next 10-15 years, he will depend on you for everything. If you aren
    t willing to do that, get some pepper spray and an alarm system for your house.
     
  4. Renee750il

    Renee750il Felurian

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    I've had GSDs since I was 12 years old. I've had purebreds, and I've had mixes; I've raised two from puppyhood (the first one, Purdue, and Bimmer, the GSD/wolf mix I have now) and all but Purdue were rescues. Bear, who became a certified therapy dog, was a GSD/Akita mix and was one of the most intelligent and formidable creatures ever; he also knew his business and I knew I was utterly safe with Bear. If we heard something, no matter how late it was, he and I would just go out and see what was up.

    There's something special about the rescues. They understand what you've done for them, and, when you adopt a more adult dog, you have a very good idea of the temperament from the beginning. Breed specific rescues are generally an excellent way to find a good dog that suits your personality and situation. Most rescue organizations not only check out their dogs, but take care to match them to appropriate homes.

    You don't need an attack dog. Trained guard and attack dogs are only for specific situations and highly experienced, well trained owners. A fearful owner is absolutely the most dangerous owner for a trained guard dog. The dog will react to your fear, and the results could be tragic; not that it will turn on you, but your fearfulness can cause the dog to react far too strongly in the wrong situation.

    Any well adjusted, well loved dog is going to protect you. A dog that is well trained in the basic commands is going to be a dog that you can handle in almost any situation, provided you have participated in the training.

    In your situation, I would strongly caution you not to pick a breed like the Rottweiler, Doberman, or anything resembling a Pit Bull or American Staffordshire Terrier. That's going to draw the kind of attention you DON'T want especially that of the very punks and thugs you're afraid of.

    I'll also recommend that you take some self defense classes. They will give you more confidence and make you feel like less of a potential victim; an attitude which will also communicate itself to whatever dog you eventually bond with.
     
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    RD Are you dead yet?

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    Like Renee suggested, it would also be smart for YOU to take some self defense classes.

    I would recommend a breed that doesn't LOOK like one of the breeds that the 'thugs' would like. That includes Dobermans, Rotties, GSD's, or "Bully Breeds". I've seen in so many cases, these dogs being stolen.

    A surprisingly good guard dog is the Akita. They are usually politely aloof with strangers, big enough to intimidate a potential mugger, and serious enough to carry out a response to a threat, should one arise.
     
  6. Renee750il

    Renee750il Felurian

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    You're right about the Akita, Grace, but they're definitely a dog for an experienced owner. They're quite large and are very dominant dogs. They can be a real handful and completely take over in the hands of a novice owner, or even a timid owner. Even Bear had the potential to be a real Genghis Khan in the wrong hands.
     
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    Nice suggestion (about the self defence lessons) , i already have a brown belt in shotokan karate BUT what will that do me against a group or someone with a weapon, anyway im ready for all the responsibilty but if i want the dog to be loyal how old should he be when i buy him ? thanks a lot everybody
     
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    but a kind of dog that looks like a one thugs would like would keep the danger away and not cause any injury right ??
     
  9. Renee750il

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    The self defense classes are for your self-confidence. There are classes taught in most urban areas that incorporate real world tactics to make you less of a target.

    Any dog can cause injury. You want a dog that has good sense. As far as loyalty goes, the age of the dog isn't the issue; how you treat the dog and how you bond with the dog is the entire issue. The dog that will be the most loyal and protective of you is the dog that you are the most loyal and protective of. Bear was an awesome protector; people would comment that anyone who bothered me wouldn't have long to live. My answer was always, "if you hurt me, he'll give you 20 seconds. If you hurt him, I'll give you 10."

    That's the kind of relationship that keeps you safe.

    Back to the age issue: a puppy's not going to be any kind of protection until it's fully mature, at least two years old, unless it's a type of dog that absolutely requires experienced handling. Check out the local shelters and find your best friend.

    Remember, the object is to stay OUT of a situation; not instigate one.
     
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    Serena, you'll get a good giggle out of this: I used to walk Purdue, my first GSD, in the long plaza that ran down the middle of my street. We acquired a stalker at one point, a creep who would circle the plaza slowly in his car, over and over. He finally got brave enough to actually get out of his car one afternoon and made a rush for me. Purdue snarled once and made a lunge for him, just barely missing. What was so funny (besides the look on the guy's face) was where Purdue lunged . . . straight for his crotch! How appropriate is that? The only reason he didn't get the idiot was because I had a good hold on his leash. I never saw the car - or the guy - again! ROFL.
     
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    hopes this helps
     
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    All the attributes of various breeds won't do you one bit of good if you aren't experienced with dogs. I would suggest learning a whole lot more first. Your comment about GSDs and some other aspects of your post made me think that you are perhaps new to dogs. Any of these protection dogs would be dangerous to you, to others and a menace if not handled with knowledgeable care and expert- like training.

    I would suggest an electronic alarm system and self defence course or a 38 caliber. Often the bad guys have guns anyhow and can kill your dog. A dog's protectiveness should not be the main reason to own such a dog. There's a lot more to it than just choosing a breed. Please do your research and plenty of mentoring with someone who has such a breed before going out and just getting some guard dog. It could cause you heartache down the road.

    Good luck in your investigating of all this.
     
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    Did you just recommend that someone get a gun?

    Wow.

    Where's the smiley that I need... got it. :eek:
     
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    Why? Is that person not an adult? Woops. I wouldn't recommend one if that's a child. But yes....why not? I keep one for protection and have shot guns since I was a kid. My Dad took me to the shooting range every weekend and we shot targets, clay pigeons, members of the NRA and a local gun club. It was a lot of fun. So, yes, as long as someone knows how to use it, is comfortable with it and is an American where we have the right to keep and bear arms...why not?
     
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    Well, I don't know where the poster is from. Not everyone on this forum is from the U.S., remember. And I don't know the age. Although, she seems to be independent enough to get a dog on her own so I'm guessing she's old enough.

    There are plenty of people who don't believe that guns are the key to self-protection.

    Say it, if you will, and I will continue to be surprised.
     
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    Yes, and American or not I am one of those people.
    Guns or attack dogs for that matter
     
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    Well, I hope you two don't get your home broken into and attacked some day by a rapist/killer with a knife with nothing to defend yourselves with. If you were, you might decide that guns are very effective for self protection.
     
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    Guns are fine for sane, stable people who keep them inaccessible to anyone inappropriate.

    They are also a very real reason many homes are broken into, and very few normal people truly have the stomach to shoot anyone, even in fear, and fewer still have the nerves to be calm enough to effectively use a gun in a home invasion/attack situation.

    Not being pro-gun or anti-gun ownership, my bottom line has always been that you can't shoot me with my own dog. And it doesn't take an attack trained dog to protect home and family. It's harder to shoot a dog coming at you out of the shadows than you'd imagine, too. I've listened to a few talk about how they panicked upon hearing a snarling dog approaching; it seems to evoke a very primal fear in us. Inside every dog, somewhere deep, burns the flame of the wolf and we know this on a very primitive level - deep inside.
     
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    Thank goodness for my self-defence training and keen ability to think quickly. Not to mention the little bit of crazy hiding inside. LOL

    Do you sleep with your gun?
     
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    I think I've mentioned this before but Mikey my something bully crossed with something else :) has proven to me that he would protect me. I sleep a lot easier when my bf is away now that I have him.

    He seems to know the difference too. When bf is gone Mikey gets to be the "man" of the house. He takes total responsibility and sleeps quite lightly compared to the death-like state he's normally in. If he hears a rustling or anyother odd sound he gives a low woof while running down the hall, explores the house and with another low woof goes back to sleep. I was having problems with my neighbours a few months ago and my bf was working in another province. I truly appreciated having him there at that time. I'm more afraid of him getting shot out here in bear country than I am of him being shot in my home. Seems kind of ridiculous. Some dummy comes into my house, in the dark, fumbles around hears a growl and ... Can't see it. sure it's possible. Anything is but not likely.
     

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