Cruel Or Not?
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Well, the border collie doesn't bark for "no reason". The voices in his head tell him to!
Please note, this is not my dog, and I have no say in how he is managed. He is an older BC who spends a huge portion of the day barking at the wall of the indoor ring. There's nothing behind it. No mice, no nothing. If he were my dog, I would be seeing vets/behaviorists to see about medicating. If dogs can get OCD, this one has it. Controlling the barking means he spends all day outside at the farm, instead of closed up in the house. He does take time out to play fetch, frolick with the other dogs, swim, and doze in the shade, so I think it gives him a much better quality of life.
Again, this isn't my dog. Just trying to point out that some dogs do bark for "no reason".
Please note, this is not my dog, and I have no say in how he is managed. He is an older BC who spends a huge portion of the day barking at the wall of the indoor ring. There's nothing behind it. No mice, no nothing. If he were my dog, I would be seeing vets/behaviorists to see about medicating. If dogs can get OCD, this one has it. Controlling the barking means he spends all day outside at the farm, instead of closed up in the house. He does take time out to play fetch, frolick with the other dogs, swim, and doze in the shade, so I think it gives him a much better quality of life.
Again, this isn't my dog. Just trying to point out that some dogs do bark for "no reason".
Whats the difference between a pinch or choke chain/slip lead and a shock collar?
Nothing. They are both used for correction with pressure.
If used correctly the collar is a good instrument for correction.
You dont go around with a shock collar burning the crap out of your dog because you are angry. Thats not how it works. You start with the lowest setting. Ask them to perform a command they knew very well. If you get a refusal then you press the button. Dont keep the button pressed just press it like you would a button on your microwave. Just one quick press.
The reaction your looking for is the ears will perk and they will at first look around to see who did that. That is a perfect response. The shock is only to get their attention not to hurt them. If the dog yelps you either pressed the button for too long or have the setting too high.
E-Collars arent for everyone. It is very important in field work as you need to have controll off leash.
Could also be used for people who hike or trail ride with horses.
Its use is multi purpose and should be used by someone knowledgable about its use and how to use it correctly.
I have seen people in dog parks and other places who had them on thier dogs and burnt the crap out of thier dog. I believe this is where the misunderstanding of it lies. It is by no means for that type of use or abuse.
One time if you get a chance use it on your arm. Skin is thicker there as like the dogs skin on their neck. Try the lowest to the highest setting you can stand. You will see how it isnt all that bad if it is used correctly.
Dont knock it till you try it...Kind of like the food your parents used to make you try then you liked.
Nothing. They are both used for correction with pressure.
If used correctly the collar is a good instrument for correction.
You dont go around with a shock collar burning the crap out of your dog because you are angry. Thats not how it works. You start with the lowest setting. Ask them to perform a command they knew very well. If you get a refusal then you press the button. Dont keep the button pressed just press it like you would a button on your microwave. Just one quick press.
The reaction your looking for is the ears will perk and they will at first look around to see who did that. That is a perfect response. The shock is only to get their attention not to hurt them. If the dog yelps you either pressed the button for too long or have the setting too high.
E-Collars arent for everyone. It is very important in field work as you need to have controll off leash.
Could also be used for people who hike or trail ride with horses.
Its use is multi purpose and should be used by someone knowledgable about its use and how to use it correctly.
I have seen people in dog parks and other places who had them on thier dogs and burnt the crap out of thier dog. I believe this is where the misunderstanding of it lies. It is by no means for that type of use or abuse.
One time if you get a chance use it on your arm. Skin is thicker there as like the dogs skin on their neck. Try the lowest to the highest setting you can stand. You will see how it isnt all that bad if it is used correctly.
Dont knock it till you try it...Kind of like the food your parents used to make you try then you liked.
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I know Tira doesn't like shocks. Not because she's ever had a shock collar on, but because she ran into a field that was enclosed with an electric fence meant to keep cows in. She made it through without being touched but on the way out it shocked her once. Since she hadn't come out yet she was scared to try again. We kept calling her and eventually she just hauled @$$ and jumped through (2 more shocks). We couldn't get her out and the owner was just standing there totally unwilling to help her out. He could have shut the power off, but thought she was "learning a lesson about trespassing". That was the first time she'd EVER gone over there and the first time in 8 months that she'd been out of our friends fenced in yard (long story).
The point is this - shocking hurts and I won't use it.
The point is this - shocking hurts and I won't use it.
Your comparing apples to oranges
Thats a fence for cows and horses. The shock on those is 10 times or more stronger than the highest setting on a collar. You cannot compare an electric fence to a shock collar.
Use them or not. Your choice.
But untill you have shocked yourself with one you will never know what it actually feels like and the strenghth of them are. You would be suprised.
The third level is similar to a 9 volt battery on the tongue. Kinda a suprise but it doesnt hurt...just suprises you and definatly gets your attention. The first level you can hardly feel at all.
Like I said if you get a chance to feel the different levels yourself do it.
You might not think so badly of them.
Thats a fence for cows and horses. The shock on those is 10 times or more stronger than the highest setting on a collar. You cannot compare an electric fence to a shock collar.
Use them or not. Your choice.
But untill you have shocked yourself with one you will never know what it actually feels like and the strenghth of them are. You would be suprised.
The third level is similar to a 9 volt battery on the tongue. Kinda a suprise but it doesnt hurt...just suprises you and definatly gets your attention. The first level you can hardly feel at all.
Like I said if you get a chance to feel the different levels yourself do it.
You might not think so badly of them.
What about training? Not a fan of shock or citronella. Never use them, never recommend them. Believe me, barking is one of the most common issues trainers/behaviorists deal with, training is effective and IMO shocking for barking is lazy quick fix that causes more harm than good. To the original poster, I'm in no way saying you're lazy just that you may want to find out why your dog is barking and address it with training rather than a shock collar.
No worries, I never had the intention of using shock collars. I think I said in the original post as well that I personally think it's cruel (I wasn't aware that there were different levels and thought one for all) - just wanted to see how others that have experience with it feels about this product.