Cropped/Docked or Natural?

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#81
Tell that to puppies docked at home with a hammer and chisel.
No matter how it's done, it's still a terrible practice if you ask me. Whether it's done by conformation show people at a vet to stupid people who would do what you just said in their own home.
 

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Are you serious? Really? Docks done under anaesthetic are almost painless. Now that it has been banned people are doing it at home and puppies are dying!
 

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I prefer the natural look. There are a few dobes at our dog park with floppy ears that are just adorable. The cropped look is very sharp/harsh to me. The floppy ears fit their goofy personality quite well.

And tails...I just like tails. My grandparents had two rotties when I was little (both shelter rescues). One was docked, and one had a tail. I much preferred the look of the tail. We called it Sasha's "crank" 'cause it was somewhat shorter than a normal sized tail, but it was so cute!
 
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I haven't read all the posts....

Natural all the way. I love the look of dogs the way they were born to be.
 

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I will admit, I'm very curious about the effect docking has on a dog's movement and balance, especially in a performance venue. In a flyball box turn, for instance, or on a very tight and winding agility course. Or in lure coursing.
I really doubt it makes much difference. My guys (JRTs obviously) are all docked. I have seen a few JRTs with tails, they aren't any more balanced. Looking logistically it could go both ways, a dog with no tail vs a long heavy tail with lots of hair might be more manuverable. LOL shave Steves tail and see how it affects him :)
 

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Are you serious? Really? Docks done under anaesthetic are almost painless. Now that it has been banned people are doing it at home and puppies are dying!
No, docks are not done under anesthesia. They are not done with any pain medication at all. The puppies scream and they wriggle and they kick. The only real difference that I see between a vet job and a home job is sterility.
 

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My insides cringe when I see docked ears, It just creeps me out. I want my dogs with both ears and tail.
 

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I like most breeds left completely natural, except for Dobes. I do not like the look of Dobes with floppy ears... they remind me of Weims.

If I were to get a cropped breed like a Dobe, I would ONLY have it down by the vet the breeder uses... and preferably, I'd have it done before I picked the puppy up.
 

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I haven't read all the posts....

Natural all the way. I love the look of dogs the way they were born to be.
Not trying to be argumentative, but just wanted to point out that the whole concept of "the way they were born to be" is going to be off anyway what with all the genetic manipulation humans have done to dogs.
Left alone for a few generations, dogs revert back to pricked ears. :)
 

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No matter how it's done, it's still a terrible practice if you ask me. Whether it's done by conformation show people at a vet to stupid people who would do what you just said in their own home.
Do you know why dogs are docked? The breeders I know who do it at home are better in most cases than the vets (who get so little call for it aren't as sure) I can get why people might not like it, but IMO if you get your dog fixed you have no reason to say its a 'terrible' practice. (bitches after a spay show more signs of pain than puppies when docked, and in both cases you are removing a part of them for human, not dog, benefit)
 

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I'd rather a responsible breeder dock their puppies at home... bringing a litter of under 3 day old puppies to the vet exposes them to all sorts of diseases.

Docking puppies (and removing dew claws) is much easier and less stressful than, say, a spay or a neuter.
 

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I am Pro docking/Cropping.

I do prefer the cropped/docked look pretty much on every breed.

While I was thinking about getting a Cane Corso I would most definitely get the dog cropped and docked. I prefer the more severe look, but on a BoerBoel it does not really matter to me if the dogs docked. I think it looks good either way, but on bouvier's I prefer the C/D. Emme has a nub of a tail, but her ears or natural. If I ever decided to get another Bouvier, which I won't, but if I did I would want the ears and tail done.


On Dobes I prefer the C/D looked as well as on schnauzers, Rottweilers and Pit bulls adn pretty much every other breed!
 

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Oh I forgot to add, I like the longer dock that JRTs have. I like more than a nubbie :) I prefer danes and boxers natural, dobes and mini schnauzers cropped.
 

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No, docks are not done under anesthesia. They are not done with any pain medication at all. The puppies scream and they wriggle and they kick. The only real difference that I see between a vet job and a home job is sterility.
Don't want to start anything here...isn't it true that since it's done when they are very young the nerves aren't fully developed in the tail so it isn't painful? That's what I've always been told?
 

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No, docks are not done under anesthesia. They are not done with any pain medication at all. The puppies scream and they wriggle and they kick. The only real difference that I see between a vet job and a home job is sterility.
Every dock I have assisted with had local anaesthetic administered and done in the sterile theatre.
 

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Itty bitty Sako with "naturally" cropped ears.. LOL.

I was going to ask you about the size, I'm glad you did that! He's already as big as Piper, and he's only going to fill out, so he doesn't need a little dinky tag ;)
OMFG that is so goddamn cute!!!!

I really really like natural full prick ears on APBT/AST/SBT's.... I hope that when I can get an APBT someday in the future its got natural bat ears. That is just perfect to me, but I don't give a crap about confirmation showing and if I did do conformation it would ADBA and they don't care really. However I do like their nice floppy ears too. Unless there was an amazing vet the breeder had doing really outstanding crops I would not crop.

However I love how Dobes look docked/cropped. I kinda like Rotties with tails. I can appreciate a really good crop on Boxers and Danes too. I tend to prefer the shorter working crop because often the super long show crop is just too much. Longer than the ugly ass battle crop nonsense though!

I love my parent's BC's cockeyed crazy ears. Their ears should be crazy or full prick in my eyes because it goes well with their silly personalities and intense drive.

I tend to like breeds with natural full prick ears and nice natural tails though. Gators, landsharks, and border crazies please! :p
 

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Even our lambs/calves pitch a fit when we band to dock lambs and castrate all the boys at 2-3 days old.... they have nerves even when they are babies.... Theres a reason we band instead of the alternative, at least with banding it goes numb after a couple hrs....
 

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I think the deal is they feel it less than if you wait. In general at that age pups cry and wiggle if you do much of anything with them. Some seem to feel it more than others, but it seems very quickly forgotten. No prolonged crying, no flinching or pain response if another pup crawls over the cut end...

So does it hurt? Yes I would assume it does, does it hurt as much as many things we put our dogs through? I doubt it.
 
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Dogs communicate with their tails and ears. Docking seems to me like surgically imposing a speech impediment on a human just because someone thinks it's 'attractive'. I don't intend to get any cosmetic surgery done on myself, either!
 

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