Thanks everyone. Courtney, yes I like the Karthago blend too. Gana has the traditional West German WL hardness and fight drive. Lou mated her with Javir to increase prey in the mix and Creasy looks like he made the blend. No way as near as extreme as Gnash in hardness and drive but on the other hand will be easier to train, I am looking forward to moving in high gear with him but need to let him grow up a lil (very slow maturing).