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If she does it already, all you have to do is reward it everytime and put it on a cue. I love using what a dog already does well and adding that to their repertoire of named behaviors. Next time she does it, encourage her foreward and praise (click if you have one) and reward. Once she understands what is getting her the praise/click and reward, you can add the cue word..I use the word combat.
Here's a really poor quality of Tinker doing the combat crawl (also playing dead "bang")...please turn your sound down, my voice is positively nauseating. The sound track is off from the video as is often the case with youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLZuMo4fWug
Here's a really poor quality of Tinker doing the combat crawl (also playing dead "bang")...please turn your sound down, my voice is positively nauseating. The sound track is off from the video as is often the case with youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLZuMo4fWug
I couldn't really just reward them for the behaviour because they never did it for me to reward! LOL
How I taught it to them, was by placing them in a down, and a foot away placing the treat on the floor. If they stood up to get the treat, I just placed them in a down. They figured it out in about 2.3 seconds! LOL I don't do it too much with Roxy because she's so darn big and it just looks very uncomfortable with her, but Hades is a pro at it
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How I taught it to them, was by placing them in a down, and a foot away placing the treat on the floor. If they stood up to get the treat, I just placed them in a down. They figured it out in about 2.3 seconds! LOL I don't do it too much with Roxy because she's so darn big and it just looks very uncomfortable with her, but Hades is a pro at it
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I clicker train so I used the clicker to shape the behavior.
I started them on a down. Then I took another treat and very slowly brought it away, just a few inches out of reach of their nose. When they moved and crawled forward just a teensy bit, I clicked and treated. Then I started demanding more, so instead of giving them the click and treat after an inch, they had to go two inches. Then I just increased it.
And keep in mind I was on my belly on the floor while I was teaching this
Saje, if your interested in training tricks and things like that, I really suggest looking into clicker training if you haven't already. You can do some crazy things with a clicker. I had a basenji/pitbull/border collie puppy who I taught to scratch himself on command. It was soooo funny
I started them on a down. Then I took another treat and very slowly brought it away, just a few inches out of reach of their nose. When they moved and crawled forward just a teensy bit, I clicked and treated. Then I started demanding more, so instead of giving them the click and treat after an inch, they had to go two inches. Then I just increased it.
And keep in mind I was on my belly on the floor while I was teaching this
Saje, if your interested in training tricks and things like that, I really suggest looking into clicker training if you haven't already. You can do some crazy things with a clicker. I had a basenji/pitbull/border collie puppy who I taught to scratch himself on command. It was soooo funny
Rebekah, always on my arse ROFL
Your a heckler you are
It's funny because I've taught them all sorts of tricks that my trainer winces at when we do them, but both of them seem to understand school is school and silly, stupid tricks are for home. ROFL
If the day ever arrives that we do the moving stand with hand signal work, and Roxy staggers, drops and cries then dies, I'll be kicking MYSELF in the arse! LMAO
ROFLYour a heckler you are
It's funny because I've taught them all sorts of tricks that my trainer winces at when we do them, but both of them seem to understand school is school and silly, stupid tricks are for home. ROFL
If the day ever arrives that we do the moving stand with hand signal work, and Roxy staggers, drops and cries then dies, I'll be kicking MYSELF in the arse! LMAO
It shouldn't be a problem if it's on a different cue. If the dog inches forward when he's suppose to be in a stay, then I'd give a no reward marker and replace in the stay. Plus, the dog only gets reinforced for the correct response. After enough repititions of that, that would be a new learned thing. If the dog breaks the stay, no reward and the dog learns that doing that doesn't work.
I believe the dog is capable of distinguishing between the down/stay (for instance) and the "crawl." Different hand signal as well as verbal cue. For instance, Lyric has a heck of a good down stay, even with me out of sight. He can hold it for good length of time. It's rock solid. Calling him to come could theoretically teach him that he can move from that stay since coming is breaking the stay. But come is on cue. (plus, for every 10 stays, I only call him to come for 2, otherwise I go to him)
So, you could teach a dog a trick which moves him out of whatever position he's in as long as the cue is easily distinguishable. Better yet would be to not ask the dog to crawl from that position...the one that you're talking about for the competition. The dog is lying down. Nobody asked her to stay and you just show her crawl. A really different thing and I think perfectly distinguishable.
I taught my Lab to crawl by starting out with a lure, attaching the word, "crawl," then faded the lure and made my hand signal more subtle. I might teach Lyric, but he seems like he'd be uncomfortable doing that. Who would be really good to teach would be Chulita, my smallest Chi. Jose', on the other hand would not be good for that because of his luxating patellas. Little Chichi would be perfect. I think I should work with her more than I do. She stetches that way....with her hind legs out behind her. Perfect start. .LOL
I believe the dog is capable of distinguishing between the down/stay (for instance) and the "crawl." Different hand signal as well as verbal cue. For instance, Lyric has a heck of a good down stay, even with me out of sight. He can hold it for good length of time. It's rock solid. Calling him to come could theoretically teach him that he can move from that stay since coming is breaking the stay. But come is on cue. (plus, for every 10 stays, I only call him to come for 2, otherwise I go to him)
So, you could teach a dog a trick which moves him out of whatever position he's in as long as the cue is easily distinguishable. Better yet would be to not ask the dog to crawl from that position...the one that you're talking about for the competition. The dog is lying down. Nobody asked her to stay and you just show her crawl. A really different thing and I think perfectly distinguishable.
I taught my Lab to crawl by starting out with a lure, attaching the word, "crawl," then faded the lure and made my hand signal more subtle. I might teach Lyric, but he seems like he'd be uncomfortable doing that. Who would be really good to teach would be Chulita, my smallest Chi. Jose', on the other hand would not be good for that because of his luxating patellas. Little Chichi would be perfect. I think I should work with her more than I do. She stetches that way....with her hind legs out behind her. Perfect start. .LOL
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Oh lord. Deliver us obedience competitors from crawling. LOL
I have taught this to several dogs, but never since I started training for competition obedience.
I have taught this to several dogs, but never since I started training for competition obedience.
My first obedience dog (German shepherd - was my novice A dog and finished with a UD) was taught to crawl. Really cute behavior. He was HUGE and would crawl under the belly of my 40# chow!
But when I got to open obedience where the down-stay is five minutes and the handlers are out of sight it became a bit of a problem. At an outdoor show, he crawled around and ate clover until the judge walked over and stood in front of him .. *LOL* .. it was such a disappointment to come back out when the five minutes was up and to see Dawson about ten feet in front of all the other dogs!
My friends were all laughing and told me he never even started to get up - he merely crawled from spot to spot!
Granted, he was my first obedience dog but I've never taught crawling to a dog since then. Out-of-sight stays, in a strange place in the middle of a bunch of strange dogs, are hard enough without teaching them a behavior that encourages them to move while in a down. If I wasn't competing, I'd still teach it though .. it truly is a cute behavior.
I can't complain much though. Dawson never flunked in novice (three times for his AKC CD, four times - all Q's - in ASCA, with two HIT's) and he finished his CDX with only six tries. He earned the CD and CDX the same year, too.
Wow, some of this stuff is sure bringing back the memories! *L* I remember when I was so into competition obedience that I often had three dogs entered at the same trial - one in novice (chow), one in open (Aussie) and then Dawson in utility! I was a glutton for punishment back then .. *LOL* .. and being as we have hardly any winter trials, most of the showing is packed into the months from May to August here in Alaska.
I don't have the energy to do that anymore! I sure wish I had a niece or nephew old enough (and willing) to be Khana's handler for agility .. I'd love teaching someone how to work with her.
Melanie and the gang in Alaska
T
Just as a side note, I taught my dog to sneeze on command. She LOVES this trick. Doing this trick is actually a big reward for her. Yup.. now she starts sneezing after excersizes when I praise her. It is hilarious! I always have to explain to judges, I taught her to sneeze on command, and now she loves it! She always gets so much attention from it.
LMAO@Quest!
I can only imagine the picture when you entered the ring after the 5 minutes. LMAO.
tessa- Ever since I've encouraged Roxy to speak, not bark but more the mumbling, she does that a lot too after an excercise, during finishes, whenever I tell her down... She's just so darned pleased with herself, she has to let EVERYONE know! LMAO
The good thing is you don't loose points for "talking". And after using the touch stick their down stays are just that, down time. Chin's are always on the floor, and they usually lie in a comfortable position because they're used to the routine.
Doberluv- Instead of just using stay, what I do is use "stay" if I'm coming back to their side and "wait" if I plan on giving them any type of command after I leave them. It's funny because with excercises like sit/down stay, as soon as I say "stay", their attitude changes completely. They're no longer staring at me waiting for a command excited to do it, but they put their chins down and get comfy because they know I'm going to return. Just an idea
I can only imagine the picture when you entered the ring after the 5 minutes. LMAO.
tessa- Ever since I've encouraged Roxy to speak, not bark but more the mumbling, she does that a lot too after an excercise, during finishes, whenever I tell her down... She's just so darned pleased with herself, she has to let EVERYONE know! LMAO
The good thing is you don't loose points for "talking". And after using the touch stick their down stays are just that, down time. Chin's are always on the floor, and they usually lie in a comfortable position because they're used to the routine.
Doberluv- Instead of just using stay, what I do is use "stay" if I'm coming back to their side and "wait" if I plan on giving them any type of command after I leave them. It's funny because with excercises like sit/down stay, as soon as I say "stay", their attitude changes completely. They're no longer staring at me waiting for a command excited to do it, but they put their chins down and get comfy because they know I'm going to return. Just an idea
I love your cues for those! Reminds me of novel i read where the detective solved a crime because she found something the victim wrote saying "he taught my cat to dance in three days" and the cat danced every time it saw a gun.
If i teach Jager to crawl (i'm trying to hold off on cutsey tricks until he can down-stay for at least a full minute) i'm going to steal "combat".
If i teach Jager to crawl (i'm trying to hold off on cutsey tricks until he can down-stay for at least a full minute) i'm going to steal "combat".
Roxy, I don't use a cue for the stay at all. It's a default behavior for sit and down. (unless otherwise posted) LOL. I just give Lyric a cue for down or sit and walk away. He stays. I can hide behind a building for 5 minutes or longer. (I don't usually go longer) and he's solid. Until I call him to come or go to him, he's planted, doesn't move an inch forward. I use "wait" though but it's a very casual thing. He has to stay in approximately the same place, but he can move a little bit. But this is a dog who LOVES learning and once he is learns something thoroughly, he'll die before he "disobeys." He just loves being "obedient" as long as he has been amply reinforced for the skill. He constantly has this expression on his face, like...."is this right Mom? What do you want me to do now?" Like an exuberant 5 year old child who loves "getting it right." It doesn't take him but a few repititions to get onto something. He's just geared for obedience.
I just can't see having a problem with Lyric moving from a down/stay if I were to teach him to crawl. Crawling is one thing, one skill and staying is another skill...two different things, two different cues, each having ample reinforcement to make reliable responses, just like any other behaviors which are similar, like say.....down and the trick, play dead. One is down on the dog's side and the other is down, but sphinx style. My dog knows those two things and doesn't confuse the position.
I just can't see having a problem with Lyric moving from a down/stay if I were to teach him to crawl. Crawling is one thing, one skill and staying is another skill...two different things, two different cues, each having ample reinforcement to make reliable responses, just like any other behaviors which are similar, like say.....down and the trick, play dead. One is down on the dog's side and the other is down, but sphinx style. My dog knows those two things and doesn't confuse the position.
I don't do obediance competitions, but neither of my dogs that know crawl will move in a down stay or down wait.
It's just important that your dogs learn to distinguish the commands. Alot of times when you first start training it, the dog will assume that you want him to crawl just because you had him lay down due to the repetition of downing and crawling. So to prevent this in training, I do it spontaneously. Sometimes I have her just lay down, sometimes I have her crawl. It forces her to wait for further instruction because she doesn't know for sure what she's supposed to do, she doesn't have room to make assumptions or create expectations.
It's just important that your dogs learn to distinguish the commands. Alot of times when you first start training it, the dog will assume that you want him to crawl just because you had him lay down due to the repetition of downing and crawling. So to prevent this in training, I do it spontaneously. Sometimes I have her just lay down, sometimes I have her crawl. It forces her to wait for further instruction because she doesn't know for sure what she's supposed to do, she doesn't have room to make assumptions or create expectations.