Cops pepper spray peaceful students

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  1. Dekka

    Dekka Just try me..

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    This image is not shopped. Ok this is not my country but really that doesnt' matter. (and really we could talk about our police and the G20 summit) What is it with police in this day and age?

    These students were sitting peacefully when police pepper sprayed them and arrested them for being in the way. Sure they wanted them to move but what about right to peaceful protest?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmJmmnMkuEM&feature=share
     
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    The sad fact is that we live in a police state now. This kind of police brutality and government control will only get worse unless there's a revolution. Pepper spray to "clear a path?" Yeah, like that's really necessary. Disgusting. I hate these power hungry, sadistic jerks whose salary WE pay! I don't agree with what the protesters are protesting, but they were not being violent and their right to protest is repeatedly being denied. Shame on America.:mad:
     
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    sillysally Obey the Toad.

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    On the news yesterday there was a story of an 80 year old woman being pepper sprayed at one of the Occupy rallys. In Chicago the police seem to be handling it pretty well. They are operating on the premiss that if you treat people like a mob they will turn into a mob so are trying to deal with any issues on an individual basis.
     
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    Ugh. And notice on the left there, it looks like that cop is trying to stop people from filming it. There are better ways to handle peaceful protesters.
     
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    This has been happening almost daily since the protests started. I'm sure some cops use their pepper spray responsibly, but I know a girl who was pepper sprayed for standing on the sidewalk...in San Diego, protestors formed a human chain to prevent their tents and belongings from being seized, and it was sprayed in order to break it up.

    I've been to the protests, and for the most part it's not like the cops are running around beating everyone and spraying everyone....but at times, they are, and some of the cops are.

    A NYC councilman was injured and arrested by police the other day. I don't know if everyone on here heard about the war veteran in Oakland who was shot in the face with a tea gas canister and was in intensive care? A few civilians ran back to help him after the tear gas scattered them, and the cops shot another canister at them.

    I've also heard reports another veteran in Oakland was beaten until he had internal bleeding, and he was put in jail and refused medical treatment for 18 hours. When they finally did treat him, his spleen was ruptured. Not sure if that's true...
     
  6. Kat09Tails

    Kat09Tails *Now with Snark*

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    This will get worse before it gets better. Large movements are like that.

    There was a time in my great grandmother's years when the Army was dispatched to break up the peaceful mob in Seattle. She was there for the Seattle general strike - delivering food to the strikers.

    During my grandfather's years the Bonus Army encampment in DC was broken up by Patton himself ordering a calvary charge on war veterans.

    It's been fairly quiet during my parent's lifetime. They missed the 60s by a few years.

    It's been fairly quiet in my lifetime up until this point. We'll see if this protest has any staying power or recollection beyond a few years.

    History doesn't repeat itself really... it just rhymes often times and plays to a similar tune.
     
  7. Shai

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    http://bicyclebarricade.wordpress.com/2011/11/19/open-letter-to-chancellor-linda-p-b-katehi/

     
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    SailenAero Hits the Mark

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    I saw this article this morning and it makes me sick
     
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    That cop just made the mistake of doing that on on a college campus.

    Somewhere along the line it became ok to pepper spray or tazer people just for not doing what you wanted. The idea of using minimum force has been lost to the idea that you shouldn't have to do any work, or risk yourself at all by moving an unarmed person. Just assault them until they go away.
     
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    Pepper spray down someone's throat? That is utterly barbaric.

    I don't know if anyone here has been peppersprayed. I have, and it's excruciating. I would never wish that kind of pain on my worst enemies. It feels like you cannot breathe no matter how hard you try, along with the burning and OW OW OW part. Pepperspraying down someone's throat should be reserved for the absolute last bastion of self defense, as in, they're holding a butcher knife to your throat. That photo and letter made me physically ill to read. I hope that whoever is responsible loses their job. End of story.
     
  11. sillysally

    sillysally Obey the Toad.

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    I wonder if these cops playing fast and loose with the pepper spray realize how much it hurts? I think in this state a law enforcement officer has to submit to being sprayed in the face with pepper spray before they can carry it. Don't know if it's like that everywhere though...
     
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    My guess is they know exactly what it feels like, which is why they used it. It's a great excuse for the bullies in badges to shine right now, the "removal of dissenters". It's basically a carte blanche to do whatever, short of actually shooting them.
     
  13. AliciaD

    AliciaD On second thought...

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    I feel bad for good cops who get a bad rep because of bad cops.

    And I hate this "protect our own" mentality that pops up in police.

    I think Det. Stabler is an interesting character on Law & Order, but if he was a real cop/detective I would hate him and want him out so fast.
     
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    vanillasugar just call me Nilly

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    Kerri, this particular issue may not be our country or our issue, but do you know about the Trent Eight? The small group of 8 peaceful protestors who sat in at the Vice President's Academic Office, and 3 days later were taken by force and violence out of the office by 25 officers in riot gear and a dog. 25+1, to take down 8 students. That was at our school, in 2001. This kind of action isn't new, or surprising at this point, and it's only been getting bigger and more serious. Sad.
     
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    Lilavati Arbitrary and Capricious

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    Yes, police have to be pepper sprayed & Tasered as part of training. I mean they are litterally held down & pepper sprayed.

    I am married to a cop & I work for the prosecutor's office. Not all cops or people in Law Enforcement are like this.

    It is sad that this is how it's always portrayed in media. You will only see the bad apples.

    As for taxes. Cops pay taxes too!!!
     
  18. Lilavati

    Lilavati Arbitrary and Capricious

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    This is beautiful.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8775ZmNGFY8

    Here is the context:

    http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/11/police-abuse-on-parade-ctd.html

    Despite the fact that the Occupy UC Davis protestors have never done anything violent, she was afraid of them. And when she did come out, they stood silently. They did not jeer, or wave signs, or shout insults. They stood there silently, absolutely peaceful, and let their silence be their judgment.

    I have no idea what particular gripe motivates Occupy UC Davis. I am ambivalent towards the Occupy movement in general. But the dignity, and discipline, and the elegant use of shame in that video has won my deepest admiration.

    Kids, I'm not a part of your movement. But I will defend to the death your right to have a movement. And this video makes me very proud of you, just as a fellow American.
     
  19. Dekka

    Dekka Just try me..

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    That was pretty neat!
     
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    Lilavati Arbitrary and Capricious

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    I see you have a definition of "active resistance" that is entirely different from that held by . . . pretty much the rest of the human race:

    http://tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com/2011/11/redefining-active-resistance.html

    You know so much police brutality makes so much sense to me now that I know that "curling into a ball" is active resistance. Being thoroughly cowed and attempting to protect oneself is resistance, justifying the further use of force!
     

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