Confused about corn.

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  1. AusCatDogs_4Ever

    AusCatDogs_4Ever but please call me Aus.

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    I've read on other threads that you should stay away from "Ground Yellow Corn". This is in Eagle Pack's Original Adult. I wanted to ask them about it, but then I noticed they had it in their FAQ's, here is what they have to say:

    More info about their corn:

    Is their information true? Is their corn O.K. for dogs to eat? It sure sounds like it, but people always say to stay away from corn... I'm so confused. :confused:
     
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    Mordy Quigleyfied

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    Generally speaking, corn is no worse for dogs than other grains - as long as the dog isn't allergic to corn specifically.

    It is true that you don't want corn ingredients as a main source of protein (e.g. as first ingredient), which is the case with many cheap, poor quality foods. As a source of carbs, present in reasonable amounts, it is fine.

    The widespread claims that corn is always a poor quality filler, dogs can't digest it and that it should be avoided at all costs are bogus.

    Eagle Pack uses high quality corn, not the feed grade stuff that's commonly used for cattle.
     
  3. AusCatDogs_4Ever

    AusCatDogs_4Ever but please call me Aus.

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    Thank you Mordy. :) I was a little worried.
     
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    I had a vet explain to me once that some non-digestible roughage is good for the workings of the system...the colon etc. So some grain which might pass through them, even if it weren't chalk full of nutrition is apparently a good thing. But I agree that is shouldn't be in excessive amounts....at the expense of ample protein and other elements. I would guess that some good corn would be a good thing because it does have some good elements and they probably get some of that. It sure kept the pilgrims alive in the harsh climates at Plymouth Rock. LOL.

    What have been your findings on that Mordy?
     
  5. skeaze

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    auscat,

    good read, thanks. my post is mostly with regards to skin problems that seem to be related to diet.

    my dogs are pretty sensitive to a lot of high quality kibbles, and most recently even to innova. i really really wanted to go to eagle pack holistic, but since i needed a large breed puppy formula (EP doesn't make one in holistic blend) i was kind of stuck since i desparately wanted to avoid corn and choices for large breed puppy formulas with minimal grain products are pretty limited. after going through plan A, B, and C, i took the plunge and started my boy on the EP large breed puppy formula that does include corn. I've been feeding him for a week, and he has none of the itching and break-outs that he did on other foods. so like mordy says, i guess corn isn't so bad if your dog tolerates it well. as long as my dog doesn't react aversely to it, then i don't have a huge problem with a little corn as long as i believe in the overall quality of the kibble.

    long story short, my dog has seemed to have skin reactions to high-end kibbles without grain, but the EP with corn gives him no problems.
     
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    Red_ACD_for_me Ruled by a RED boy!

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    Two of the foods I feed don't have any corn in them at all. Innova evo and Natural balance. Although I believe Natural Balance has some other types of grain in it, I'll have to find the ingredients. I mix both the dry formulas together in one storage bin to give Cai variety and I also just started him on Nupro supplements with Glucosamine and chronditin. I think the corn in eagle pack such as Mordy stated is higher quality. Although, I always was under the impression that it wasn't the greatest ingredient. Good post Aus :) cause I have always been confused about corn to LOL! :p
     
  7. AusCatDogs_4Ever

    AusCatDogs_4Ever but please call me Aus.

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    They say corn is good for high energy/working breeds and Charlie hasn't had any problems with it, just improvments, so I guess I'll stick with it! :)
     
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    I feed Lyric Natural Balance venison and brown rice. The other dogs can eat Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul and sometimes the Natural Balance. Lyric has a "sensative" digestive system and gets very loose stools unless he's on a single source protein. I haven't gotten my nerve up yet to do raw.
     
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    How much of a grain is digestible depends mainly on the type and how processed it is. Finely ground and heat treated (extruded/baked) like in commercial dog food it is pretty digestible, unlike raw corn on the cob or whole kernels.

    And since I'm a hopeless nutrition geek, here's a nutrient comparison of yellow corn and unenriched white rice, both in their uncooked forms, as per USDA SR18:

    Code:
    Vitamins		Corn	White Rice
    A (IU) 			214	0
    E (IU)			1.34	0.15
    B1  (mcg)		400	100
    B2  (mcg)		200	0
    B5  (mcg)		400	1000
    B3 (mcg)		3600	1600
    B6 (mcg)		600	200
    B9 (mcg)		19	8
    B12 (mcg)		0	0
    		
    Minerals (mg)		
    Calcium			7	28
    Phosphorus		210	115
    Magnesium		127	25
    Sodium			35	5
    Potassium		287	115
    Iron			2.7	0.8
    Copper			0.3	0.2
    Zinc			2.2	1.1
    Manganese		0.5	1.1
    Selenium (mcg)		15.5	15.1
    
    Protein %		9.4	7.1
    Fat %			4.7	0.7
    Fiber %			7.3	1.3
    Glycemic Load		21	25
    
     
  10. dogstarsleddogs

    dogstarsleddogs The dog is never wrong!

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    My food has corn as #2, and really, I dont have a problem with it in that spot. Eagle Pack, IMO, is a very good dog food company (mainly for their extensive support of dog mushing), and I would have no hesitiation using a food from them if I could.
     

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