Classified Adverts Vs. BYB's - which is better or worse?

[Dekka]

You guys are something else. How do you know that the GSD was not purchased by the first person for breeding purposes? I'm glad Lacey has a good home but you turn things around to fit how you want them too. 50$ for a pup HARDLY lined anyones pockets. A bag of even cheap food will cost you 20$ for 35#.

It doesn't matter if he did. He didn't breed her and he is selling her for less than he paid for.

Yes $50 dollars does line the pockets. Millers only get 100 or so for most of the pups they sell if they are lucky. They seem to make a go of it as an actual business for 50-100 a pup. Most people have the dog anyway. If they do no health testing vet visits etc raising pups probably only costs them an extra 50 for the whole litter. So if they have 5 pups they just made 200 dollars. Not a lot.. but enough that they will do it again. Now if no one bought the pups and she had to give them to a shelter or rescue then she would NOT likely breed again.

Its all about spending your dollars ethically. If you have no issue encouraging people to breed byb dogs.. thats fine. But you have to realize that many of us here feel very strongly about such practises.

 

[Bunny82]

I'll be honest here, my dog is from a classified ad. The breeder advertised in the paper as there was a bigger litter than expected. I was already looking for a corgi breeder, and called out of curiosity. I spoke to the breeder before ever seeing the puppies, and was happy with what I heard. The dogs are what I'll call "barn bred" for friends, and the majority of the litter was spoken for except for the two pups that were advertised. The sire and dam were health tested, and Tom came with a health guarantee. I saw and met the sire and dam when I visited, and I was obviously happy enough with what I saw to bring him home.

Now, that being said, would I buy another dog under the same circumstances? Probably not. But I have no real problem with what they were doing because it's clear that these folks were and are looking after their dogs. They had owners lined up for a litter, they health tested, etc. Now, these dogs aren't titled or anything, they just run around on a farm. I have no problem with breeding good dog to good dog as long as they are healthy and sound and unrelated. I am no big fan of conformation showing, so was not set on buying from a conformation breeder.

I do however know that I was very lucky and the more I've read since getting Thomas the more I realize what could have gone wrong.

I won't say how much I paid for him, but I feel confident that there was no great amount of money being made from the situation, and that they are not breeding for profit. I realize people will disagree with me, but I am reluctant to paint all BYB's with the same brush.

Adam, I would not consider the people you got your dog from a byb. Not only did they do health testing but they were breeding actual working dogs.

Truth be told I would take a dog that was bred on a farm as an actual working dog over a titled one any day of the week.

 

[Dizzy]

I can see DaVinci's point myself - it's not far from different... was this person a breeder or someone who had puppies? Personally I see a different.

Bodhi's "mum" was not nor is a breeder. She happened to have puppies. She didn't WANT puppies.

This was kind of the point that I was thinking about really..... I think I'd rather take an oops puppy off someone for £50 than an unwanted pet off someone for £100.

I think that the oops is a short hard shock in money loss, and the unwanted is being rewarded for giving up on a dog.

Now would I get an oops pup again? Who knows.. maybe.

Would I get a dog from an advert? Who knows... maybe.

Would I get a dog from a shelter? Maybe again!

Will I get a dog from a breeder? I doubt it.

 

[DaVinci]

Thank you Dizzy. I have no idea if this guy will have pups again. I don't think my sister knows either. He had a female dog the neighbor that moved out now ( I asked to see both parents he had no pictures of the male as they ( the males owner) had moved. I saw pictures of the female she was a pretty girl. For all I know this was an oops litter. I don't see how taking her was any different than taking a dog because the owner didn't think the dog "would get that big", "need so much exerice", "eat my house", "doesn't potty outside" or any number of other excuses. But go ahead judge me when you only a few facts because I only have a few facts.

Another thing that bothers me..... is you all think because a person charges a fee for the dog they must be a BYB if all the dogs were free no one would feel responisble for what happened to the dog cause it was free. I have seen a number of parking lot puppies that were free ending up in the paper as a "found dog please claim"

 

[Bunny82]

Another thing that bothers me..... is you all think because a person charges a fee for the dog they must be a BYB if all the dogs were free no one would feel responisble for what happened to the dog cause it was free. I have seen a number of parking lot puppies that were free ending up in the paper as a "found dog please claim"

I would like to clarify something.

I don't think that because a person charges a fee that makes them a byb. Its why they bred that decides if they are or are not a byb. It's how they go about it that decides if they are a byb.

CL for example is full of byb's giving away free puppies. And no I would not take a free puppy from a byb. I would not do anything to encourage or support what they are doing. Even taking a free puppy from them.

 

[Miakoda]

I would like to clarify something.

I don't think that because a person charges a fee that makes them a byb. Its why they bred that decides if they are or are not a byb. It's how they go about it that decides if they are a byb.

CL for example is full of byb's giving away free puppies. And no I would not take a free puppy from a byb. I would not do anything to encourage or support what they are doing. Even taking a free puppy from them.

Good post.

Davinci, I'm not trying to **** you off nor am I being mean or ugly. It's just I have spent the past 12 years of my life living with a breed that I'm literally having to fight for. And reason I'm having to fight for them is because of the crappy situation bybs have put them in. So no, I cannot condone someone's actions of "rescuing" a puppy/dog from a byb whether it be by just taking it off their hands or paying them for it. I might has well be holding down the vein for that ultimate euthanasia.