Chemical Castration

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Hey again boys and girls. Have a question:

Anyone have any concrete or anecdotal experience with methods of chemical castration?

Kind of a long story, and I'll come back to fill in the blanks RE: scenario when I have a few more minutes, but I'm weighing some options and want to learn all I can to see if it would even be feasible to table this one.

Thanks guys.

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I had a few case studies about it somewhere around here, don't remember all the details though. It seems like a good alt, though I really think a vasectomy is the best. If I remember correctly, it had a slighly higher reaction rate than a surgery.

Also, I believe the dog can't be over 6 months or so.
 

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As far as I understand, chemical castration is not routinely done on dogs. I believe it lowers the testosterone enough to hopefully reduce sex drive, but does not stop testosterone production completely. Therefore, you would still have the risk of testicular cancers, and prostate problems that comes along with being an intact male.
 

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Chemical castration of people and dogs are two completely seperate things. Chemical dog castration renders the dog sterile by causing the testes to atrophy(sp?) it's like 97% effective but takes something like 2-3 months to before the dog stops producing sperm. The dogs testosterone levels do drop by about half.
 

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Interesting...I just did a thorough search and could not find information on this. We used to apparently do chemical castration with a product called Neutersol, but it is no longer available to vets.

Can you give me more info? I wasn't aware anyone was doing this.
 

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So let me see if I have this right, you are a vet, you've used Neutersol and you have no idea how it worked or why it's no longer avail to vets? And you've attempted a thorough search with no results? Seriously? .......Seriously? What exactly did you type into google?

Neutersol was pulled in like '06 because the guy who holds the patents split with the company that was producing it. In '08 Ark Sciences started producing the same type of product under the name EsteriSol. It's an extremely uncommon practice, but the OP is from Canada, so I have no idea what the vet field is like there.

Anyway, linky
Ark Sciences -- promoting the humane treatment of animals through the creation of innovative pharmaceutical solutions
 

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No, No, I have not personally used Neutersol. I did a search on Veterinary Information Network in which tens of thousands of vets post information about cases and research and could not find much info on its use in practice.

If it's not commonly used there is likely a good reason for this!
 

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Interesting...I just did a thorough search and could not find information on this. We used to apparently do chemical castration with a product called Neutersol, but it is no longer available to vets.

Can you give me more info? I wasn't aware anyone was doing this.
No, No, I have not personally used Neutersol. I did a search on Veterinary Information Network in which tens of thousands of vets post information about cases and research and could not find much info on its use in practice.

If it's not commonly used there is likely a good reason for this!
A word of caution: don't contradict yourself within two posts of each other.

YHNI, I too would go for the safer and proven route of a vasectomy if all you're wanting to do is sterilize Slade.
 

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Looks after my google search that chem castration is done in the UK..

I too would choose a vasectomy over chemical castration for the sense of security of it being done longer and knowing the results.
 

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OK I'm back. Thanks for the info and opinions posted thus far.

I, too, had trouble finding any concrete information on the subject. I am familiar with the use of medication to sterilize / remove sex drive in humans (a friend is a nurse in a mental institution where such treatment is sometimes necessary for the safety of patients and staff) but have not explored the same in canines.

The situation is this:

I find myself in an "interesting" situation. My roommate went schizo basically, so I'm in the process of moving. All fine and well. Wrench in the tire is this: the friends whose basement apartment I'll be renting, have two dogs of their own. One a 6 month old female Weim (a pet store puppy - don't even get me started). These people are the type that aren't bad, just uneducated. In that one of the first things they said to me was "Hey, Slade's intact right? We should breed them!". *facepalm* I'm doing my best to be a support system and educate them gently, and have explained that if Slade ever were to sire a litter, it would be after his Ch., to an approved bitch, and within the contractual obligation I have to his breeders, etc.

Having said that, you know owners who don't find it in their spare time to learn more than "feed at least once a day" about the dogs in their care. They don't "get it". They think it's "OMG not fair that someone can tell you what to do with your dog RE: the contract", etc. My concern is this: although I know they would never overtly disregard my wishes, I don't trust them to adequately supervise the goings-on between the dogs when I'm not around and their bitch matures. Let alone to even UNDERSTAND the urgency of complete segregation when she's in heat. They would do what they thought was their best I'm sure, but they seriously lack the education.

Slade will be 2 in a couple of weeks. He's still intact, and although due to my illness, etc. hasn't been working towards his Ch. as of late, it's still something I want for him. So I'm not ready to have him neutered yet.

Chemical Castration is the first thing that came to mind for me RE: being absolutely ASSURED there will be no accidents, while not cutting off his show career. I know there would always be the option of vasectomy vs. neuter as well, for the purposes of being "entire" for showing, but of course then even the possibility of siring if the opportunity presented itself when he finishes, would be off the table. Not that that's entirely a big deal to me. Breeding has never been my intention - I just never shut the door on it entirely. Just figured it would be a bridge his breeders and I would cross together. This is all of course under the impression I believed chemical means could be discontinued and therefore restore fertility. I'm finding from answers above that appears not to be the case.

I don't really LIKE the idea of medicating him for any reason, but the ethical weight of having to live with being 50% responsible for an accidental litter I like even less. And to think a) I can ALWAYS be home with him to supervise, b) I can always have someone watch him for me when I'm NOT, or c) that they won't let him out of my apartment when he's crying to be with their 2, is neither realistic or fair.
 

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You could collect him, and then have the vasectomy. Then you can have puppies on your terms sometime in the future.
 

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You could collect him, and then have the vasectomy. Then you can have puppies on your terms sometime in the future.
That was my next thought. Probably the best course of action, too.

And for anyone who's wondering, despite vasectomy, I still would conventionally neuter by 5 or so as well, so as to nonetheless minimize prostate / cancer risks.

Any idea what the cost of Neuter vs. Vasectomy is?
 

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