BYB vs Well-Bred
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But "well bred" is subjective too. Breeders and fans of Am line GSDs and extremely stocky bench labs will tell you all day long that their dogs are well bred, because they are bred to the standard as they interpret it, and are winning....
We had a whole thread about whether or not puggles were cute--not sure how this is different....I see what you are saying, but I don't think you can really tell people "Don't you dare find this cute!!" lol
We had a whole thread about whether or not puggles were cute--not sure how this is different....I see what you are saying, but I don't think you can really tell people "Don't you dare find this cute!!" lol
Breeds that I would only get from a shelter because I don't like what is intentionally being bred, though many of these breeds I wouldn't own anyway (felt the need to preface with my own definition 
):
-Labs
-GSD
-Peke
-APBT
-Greyhound (not really BYB, but I like the look of racing greys WAAAY more than the ones in the show ring)
-Shar pei (sometimes they show up in rescues with way less wrinkles and IMO they look so much more...functional)
-Shelties (while I wouldn't consider them a BYB, the people who I used to do flyball with bred their shelties and they were out of AKC standard with way less coat, larger, etc but they did so many sports and had so many titles and health testing that I wouldn't consider them BYB. If I wanted a sheltie, they are what I would want.)
):-Labs
-GSD
-Peke
-APBT
-Greyhound (not really BYB, but I like the look of racing greys WAAAY more than the ones in the show ring)
-Shar pei (sometimes they show up in rescues with way less wrinkles and IMO they look so much more...functional)
-Shelties (while I wouldn't consider them a BYB, the people who I used to do flyball with bred their shelties and they were out of AKC standard with way less coat, larger, etc but they did so many sports and had so many titles and health testing that I wouldn't consider them BYB. If I wanted a sheltie, they are what I would want.)
Oh sure people can find them cute. But really they are finding some dogs cute, not all byb versions cute.
Pretty much everyone agreed that the one puggle that fran posted was cute. But that is a very very small percentage of what the actual type looks like. If even most looked like that then yes I would say puggles are cute. Most byb dogs I have met are not all that attractive (crooked legs, funny heads, roached backs, saggy eyes etc. A small percentage ARE super cute) But how can you say you like a type, when what you like is only 1% of what you are talking about cause there is no really no type.
Yes a handful of really adorable byb dogs are some of the cutest dogs ever, but most aren't. (a quick trip to craigs list or kijiji will show that)
Pretty much everyone agreed that the one puggle that fran posted was cute. But that is a very very small percentage of what the actual type looks like. If even most looked like that then yes I would say puggles are cute. Most byb dogs I have met are not all that attractive (crooked legs, funny heads, roached backs, saggy eyes etc. A small percentage ARE super cute) But how can you say you like a type, when what you like is only 1% of what you are talking about cause there is no really no type.
Yes a handful of really adorable byb dogs are some of the cutest dogs ever, but most aren't. (a quick trip to craigs list or kijiji will show that)
I definitely thought of you today...
A lady came in and she had a horrendous bat eared, no off switch, squatted JRT and then went on about how she got a female who is so nice and she showed me a picture and it was another bat eared, squatted, awful looking thing and said how she was gonna breed them because she'd be such a good mum and they are such good examples of the breed. I wanted to punch her.
I've never once in my life seen another JRT like yours other than the dog on the Evo red meat small bites bag.
I don't even know if that's a well bred one either.
It just sickened me... And i can't say anything because my boss doesn't care what they do as long as they shop here and she doesn't want me running off customers because i don't agree with what they're doing. The supplier of our bones breeds bloody labradoodles and have FOUR litters on the ground ready for christmas... Talk about dollar signs.
A lady came in and she had a horrendous bat eared, no off switch, squatted JRT and then went on about how she got a female who is so nice and she showed me a picture and it was another bat eared, squatted, awful looking thing and said how she was gonna breed them because she'd be such a good mum and they are such good examples of the breed. I wanted to punch her.
I've never once in my life seen another JRT like yours other than the dog on the Evo red meat small bites bag.
I don't even know if that's a well bred one either.
It just sickened me... And i can't say anything because my boss doesn't care what they do as long as they shop here and she doesn't want me running off customers because i don't agree with what they're doing. The supplier of our bones breeds bloody labradoodles and have FOUR litters on the ground ready for christmas... Talk about dollar signs.
I have a 3 byb JRTs and I can say that I definitely find well bred ones 50,000X more attractive. Like the Dekklets, I love all 3 of them. But I don't love mine any less because they're not "pretty" to look at. It's what's on the inside that counts (even though that's not always pretty either with my three, hahaha). Someday I'll have a "real" JRT!
Hmmm...
It's hard to say whether I like "BYB" or "well-bred" Border Collies because that could mean completely different things to different people. To me, a Champion show BC who has proven nothing but their conformation and who is bred is on the same level as a BYB. While some one else might say that a Border Collie who works every day and who has never been shown should not be bred. I like the look of a lean, effortless, wash-n-wear Border Collie who could run all day or hang out around the house all day. I cring at a heavy boned, sluggish, teased/fluffed Border Collie. And that is unfortunately what most people perceive as "well bred". However, I also don't generally like the looks of BYB Border Collies, as in truly pet bred. I like the craziness of them even less!
I have met BYB Cardigans that looked much better and much fitter to do the job they were intended to than some of the super stocky, super short show lines. I've also met BYB Cardigans who just looked awkward, and whose joints were horrible, so I think it's a matter of finding a perfect medium.
It's hard to say whether I like "BYB" or "well-bred" Border Collies because that could mean completely different things to different people. To me, a Champion show BC who has proven nothing but their conformation and who is bred is on the same level as a BYB. While some one else might say that a Border Collie who works every day and who has never been shown should not be bred. I like the look of a lean, effortless, wash-n-wear Border Collie who could run all day or hang out around the house all day. I cring at a heavy boned, sluggish, teased/fluffed Border Collie.
And that is unfortunately what most people perceive as "well bred". However, I also don't generally like the looks of BYB Border Collies, as in truly pet bred. I like the craziness of them even less!I have met BYB Cardigans that looked much better and much fitter to do the job they were intended to than some of the super stocky, super short show lines. I've also met BYB Cardigans who just looked awkward, and whose joints were horrible, so I think it's a matter of finding a perfect medium.
I agree that BYB dogs don't have a definite type at all- that's whole point of a BYB really, never met a BYB who cared about "type."
But like in my example with chows, BYB chows don't *usually* have the characteristic "scowl" and I personally prefer the look of a more open faced chow. Often with chows in the show ring I can't even see their eyes.
ETA: I don't know about BYB BCs. I can say for certain a prefer working line border collies 100% over show BCs.
But like in my example with chows, BYB chows don't *usually* have the characteristic "scowl" and I personally prefer the look of a more open faced chow. Often with chows in the show ring I can't even see their eyes.
ETA: I don't know about BYB BCs. I can say for certain a prefer working line border collies 100% over show BCs.
I don't like the extreme look in any breed. Give me a dog that looks as if he can do the job his breed was intended for; give me a dog that's healthy and temperamentally sound. A dog with way too much or way too little leg, with so much coat that you can't see the dog in there, tremendously over- or undersized--not so much.
^Same, I don't like what is in my opinion extreme type.
I'm not sure about my opinions regarding BYB vs purebred. Edit - I do know my opinion when it come to sourcing your family pet though - ethical registered breeder or rescue all the way. I love a lot of well bred purebreds, but I'm sure I have thought some BYB were registered purebreeds (by mistake, I don't think I have the best eye for thistype of thing). I can't say I love any set type of BYB, because to me they don't have a set type. I can't deny that an individual dog may look handsome to me BYB or not. Of course, when it comes to my own dog I am bias. I think she is adorable, but I can see that she is not correct type, so much so that I refer to her as a Chi x. In reality, she probably is a cross - she is certainly not well-bred. I do my best to make sure people realise that she is not what a registered Chi should look like.
I'm not sure about my opinions regarding BYB vs purebred. Edit - I do know my opinion when it come to sourcing your family pet though - ethical registered breeder or rescue all the way. I love a lot of well bred purebreds, but I'm sure I have thought some BYB were registered purebreeds (by mistake, I don't think I have the best eye for thistype of thing). I can't say I love any set type of BYB, because to me they don't have a set type. I can't deny that an individual dog may look handsome to me BYB or not. Of course, when it comes to my own dog I am bias. I think she is adorable, but I can see that she is not correct type, so much so that I refer to her as a Chi x. In reality, she probably is a cross - she is certainly not well-bred. I do my best to make sure people realise that she is not what a registered Chi should look like.
Some have mentioned some of the dogs I like better then other when it comes to byb vs show, one is the Pekingese. The show bred one looks so uncomfortable for some reason. I like the ones that look almost like either a Tibetan Spaniel or a Japanese Chin, which is the ones I tend to see more often.
And Greyhounds, it's not byb but I prefer the look of a racer then the show line. The racers look a lot more fit and I like their body proportions better. The show one seem to be bigger with longer necks.
Another one is the America Pit Bull Terriers. I like the BYB better, maybe it's because more of them have their cute floppy ear, or Luce ear, that I love so much.
Most others I prefer the show line, and that includes the Chihuahua. I love the apple dome head.
And Greyhounds, it's not byb but I prefer the look of a racer then the show line. The racers look a lot more fit and I like their body proportions better. The show one seem to be bigger with longer necks.
Another one is the America Pit Bull Terriers. I like the BYB better, maybe it's because more of them have their cute floppy ear, or Luce ear, that I love so much.
Most others I prefer the show line, and that includes the Chihuahua. I love the apple dome head.
That is a pet peeve of mine and I have met some of those people too. I don't care if it's a working breed or not, it's getting a bath and groom every now and then.:rofl1:
There was the NASTIEST smelling dog at the park the other day. It was a husky and it just reeked. It leaned up on me too and I smelt so awful. I don't know how the owner dealt with it or spent any time around it, it was that bad.
End rant.
ETA: Also, if it's long haired, the feet WILL be scissored. Personal hangup I guess.
There was the NASTIEST smelling dog at the park the other day. It was a husky and it just reeked. It leaned up on me too and I smelt so awful. I don't know how the owner dealt with it or spent any time around it, it was that bad.
End rant.
ETA: Also, if it's long haired, the feet WILL be scissored. Personal hangup I guess.