you will be there, as you are now. THere are people out there but not until a person asks for help. Putting two and two together is only the first step. THe person themselves must say I am being hurt and i need protection. THeir hands are tied until you do. THat is the hard part and what empowers the person that creates the harm. I put my daughter in counciling when she was 5 because i knew no other way to protect her. Small children seldom ever tell, at least that way she had someone to tell that she could trust that wasn't me so no one could say i was making her say it. . IT is a horrible mess for so so many people. How is grandmother? I don't know if i missed a thread or not.