Breeds with similar or same personality as Papillons?
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See to me, I haven't met a cocker that acts much like a papillon of the ones I know. I've never really known cavs that do either. The couple I've met have been much much MUCH more mellow than the papillons. My paps are a lot sharper and more energetic than any american cocker I've ever met, too.
My shelties were similar in some aspects (like energy level, ease of training, and softness of temperament) but other characteristics were very different. I think some people might be drawn to both breeds but certainly not all of them.
I think paps are quite unique in temperament to be honest. I haven't found another breed that really compares too closely.
My shelties were similar in some aspects (like energy level, ease of training, and softness of temperament) but other characteristics were very different. I think some people might be drawn to both breeds but certainly not all of them.
I think paps are quite unique in temperament to be honest. I haven't found another breed that really compares too closely.
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I didn't find Cavs to be anything like Papillons either and we own one of each.
Cavaliers are a lot more easy going and they're really content to do nothing at all. In terms of temperament Cavs are a bit more hard headed than Paps. They're not as intelligent and not as handler oriented. Ours doesn't care as much as about what we want and doesn't get as upset as easily. They're also a lot less manipulative and calculating compared to Paps.
Cavaliers are a lot more easy going and they're really content to do nothing at all. In terms of temperament Cavs are a bit more hard headed than Paps. They're not as intelligent and not as handler oriented. Ours doesn't care as much as about what we want and doesn't get as upset as easily. They're also a lot less manipulative and calculating compared to Paps.
I think it probably depends on what type of pap personality you're looking at.
Rose reminds me a lot of cavs I've met. She's very quiet and loving. She has some spunk but is very easy going and happy go lucky and such. She is playful and bouncy and takes everything with ease. All she really wants is to love her people.
Now hen we have Mia...
Mia is sharp and manipulative. She's go go go all the time and very in your face about everything. She's much more intense about literally everything. She's just much much more wired and high strung and driven. And she's sharp too in most ways (not terribly dog friendly and not terribly people friendly) It would be hard to find two more different dogs. Both are pretty smart little buggers and pretty manipulative though.
Honestly I think a median is probably the 'best' example of the papillon temperament. A dog like Beau is MUCH more active than Rose and MUCH more easy going than Mia. I love Rose but she's not what I'd consider the 'best' papillon temperament wise. I think part of what sets the breed apart from other toys is substantial energy and drive and she just doesn't have that at all. Mia's too high strung imo but that makes her a wonderful dog for me in a lot of ways. If I were breeding paps I would probably breed towards a dog that is very Beau like. He exemplifies a lot of the best traits of the breed.
Beau, Nard, and Summer are all pretty good examples of the 'average' temperament imo. Summer is more high strung and Nard is very mellow but they're all pretty good energy and drive. Not near as crazy as Mia but still enough and all are friendly (summer not so much with other dogs though). The dogs that remind me most of Beau are actually Aussies. He's very bouncy though and they have that goofy streak. I think Summer is somewhere between a golden retriever and a border collie (she's a bit neurotic and OCD but isn't near as intense as a BC). Tollers kind of sound pretty similar to me just from reading. I don't have much hands on with them.
Rose reminds me a lot of cavs I've met. She's very quiet and loving. She has some spunk but is very easy going and happy go lucky and such. She is playful and bouncy and takes everything with ease. All she really wants is to love her people.
Now hen we have Mia...
Mia is sharp and manipulative. She's go go go all the time and very in your face about everything. She's much more intense about literally everything. She's just much much more wired and high strung and driven. And she's sharp too in most ways (not terribly dog friendly and not terribly people friendly) It would be hard to find two more different dogs. Both are pretty smart little buggers and pretty manipulative though.Honestly I think a median is probably the 'best' example of the papillon temperament. A dog like Beau is MUCH more active than Rose and MUCH more easy going than Mia. I love Rose but she's not what I'd consider the 'best' papillon temperament wise. I think part of what sets the breed apart from other toys is substantial energy and drive and she just doesn't have that at all. Mia's too high strung imo but that makes her a wonderful dog for me in a lot of ways. If I were breeding paps I would probably breed towards a dog that is very Beau like. He exemplifies a lot of the best traits of the breed.
Beau, Nard, and Summer are all pretty good examples of the 'average' temperament imo. Summer is more high strung and Nard is very mellow but they're all pretty good energy and drive. Not near as crazy as Mia but still enough and all are friendly (summer not so much with other dogs though). The dogs that remind me most of Beau are actually Aussies. He's very bouncy though and they have that goofy streak. I think Summer is somewhere between a golden retriever and a border collie (she's a bit neurotic and OCD but isn't near as intense as a BC). Tollers kind of sound pretty similar to me just from reading. I don't have much hands on with them.
Many of the paps I meet at agility seem similar to JRTs (or terrier in general) in a lot of ways. Happy energetic, play driven, some (like Mia) are prey driven... They are more biddable than JRTs and lack the reactivitiy as a group. But their mischievousness seems similar.
I can't say I have ever met a pap that reminded me of any cav or cocker I have met.
I can't say I have ever met a pap that reminded me of any cav or cocker I have met.
My cousin's JRT is similar but more tenacious/less biddable than the paps. Similar energy and similar mischievousness for sure. Mia is actually more energetic but not nearly as confrontational and will back down from conflict a lot faster than Riatta will.
Mia is pretty prey driven, Rose and Nard aren't at all. Summer and Beau have some prey drive but it's not like Mia. Summer is okay by herself but if you get her around Mia then she'll go almost as crazy as Mia after things.
Mia is pretty prey driven, Rose and Nard aren't at all. Summer and Beau have some prey drive but it's not like Mia. Summer is okay by herself but if you get her around Mia then she'll go almost as crazy as Mia after things.
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I've also met paps with a pretty variety of temperament. I think a springer spaniel comes closest in terms of spaniels, they're WAY more like springers than cavs. Energetic, sharp, smart and a little bit pushy.
Chis also remind me of paps a lot. I'm talking about well-bred chis who are treated like dogs, not decorations. They're basically "feisty" without being aggressive, handler-oriented, etc.
Chis also remind me of paps a lot. I'm talking about well-bred chis who are treated like dogs, not decorations. They're basically "feisty" without being aggressive, handler-oriented, etc.
As for terriers you could look into a Westie. They make great little sports dogs as well and are more of the "easier" terrier. If that is even possible!
They are great little outgoing, confident happy dogs. They seem to keep themselves busy. They are independant, and can entertain themselves, but still very connected to their people. Still very cuddly. They have tons of preydrive. Some more and some less than others. But like Dekka said some terrier can have some DR.
I have not started agility with Teagan yet, but I am positive she would love it and excell at it.
They are great little outgoing, confident happy dogs. They seem to keep themselves busy. They are independant, and can entertain themselves, but still very connected to their people. Still very cuddly. They have tons of preydrive. Some more and some less than others. But like Dekka said some terrier can have some DR.
I have not started agility with Teagan yet, but I am positive she would love it and excell at it.
I love Cresties. They're a bit more primitive in temperament than paps but they're certainly athletic little buggers. I always love watching them doing agility. They're such fun dogs. If it weren't for the grooming aspect of them, I'd love one.
I have never personally met a chi with the same kind of energy and drive as a nice papillon. Even the well bred ones I've met there is just a very distinct difference between the breeds' energy and temperament. I know Michiyo has a chihuahua too and has experience with them.
Nia sounds like Mia in that she's a higher energy girl who needs quite a bit in the way of exercise and work to do. That's the type of papillon I like but there's a variety out there.
I have never personally met a chi with the same kind of energy and drive as a nice papillon. Even the well bred ones I've met there is just a very distinct difference between the breeds' energy and temperament. I know Michiyo has a chihuahua too and has experience with them.
Nia sounds like Mia in that she's a higher energy girl who needs quite a bit in the way of exercise and work to do. That's the type of papillon I like but there's a variety out there.
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We have 2 Chis in the family and neither is quite like a Pap. They are stubborn! Less prey drive and less toy drive. They can be quite energetic but really lack the endurance of Paps. Nia can play fetch for like an hr straight and still want more but our Chi will be extremely tired after a 1 hr fast walk.
Also our 2 Chis are more snappy it seems. Nia has never ever snapped at me or any other person. when she's unsure, she wags like crazy and sort of hides behind me. Our 2 Chis when they're not confident either will snap, or growl and bare their teeth.
I feel like Paps may be friendlier in their attitude than chis but it could just be the individual dogs we have.
I think Nia is really a mixture of Summer and Mia. She doesn't quite have the energy and restlessness of Mia but she is pretty high energy. We do usually about an hr walk with an hr fetch a day at the least. She has great toy drive and quite a lot of prey drive too, however she's not really like Mia's level of prey drive I don't think. However, I've never actually met Mia or gotten the 2 together (although I so so so wish we could).
Nia is DR as well but not really in an aggressive way, she looooves dogs but she doesn't have enough confidence to greet them and play, instead she barks at them really loudly and wags circles around them. But once she meets a dog 2-3 times she's really good with dogs and loves chasing. She loves people but doesn't love them as much as Summer. She also really bright and follows commands extremely well.
Cavaliers in my opinion are a lot less prone to DR, DA and they tend to be pretty confident dogs. They're probably some of the friendliest and best temperamented dogs I've ever met.
I do like Westies but am not too much for the ever growing coat that need to be stripped or cut. Although I don't think JRTs are for me, I admire a lot of them. They're louder than what I like though lol. I've met a few JRTs that are making all sorts of weird noises while they perform the commands you ask.
Cresties really aren't for me. I'm scared of the hairless ones and not sure what to do with all the hair of the powder puffs lol. I love their build though. I have to say I've only ever met 1 Crestie so my mind could change.
Also our 2 Chis are more snappy it seems. Nia has never ever snapped at me or any other person. when she's unsure, she wags like crazy and sort of hides behind me. Our 2 Chis when they're not confident either will snap, or growl and bare their teeth.
I feel like Paps may be friendlier in their attitude than chis but it could just be the individual dogs we have.
I think Nia is really a mixture of Summer and Mia. She doesn't quite have the energy and restlessness of Mia but she is pretty high energy. We do usually about an hr walk with an hr fetch a day at the least. She has great toy drive and quite a lot of prey drive too, however she's not really like Mia's level of prey drive I don't think. However, I've never actually met Mia or gotten the 2 together (although I so so so wish we could).
Nia is DR as well but not really in an aggressive way, she looooves dogs but she doesn't have enough confidence to greet them and play, instead she barks at them really loudly and wags circles around them. But once she meets a dog 2-3 times she's really good with dogs and loves chasing. She loves people but doesn't love them as much as Summer. She also really bright and follows commands extremely well.
Cavaliers in my opinion are a lot less prone to DR, DA and they tend to be pretty confident dogs. They're probably some of the friendliest and best temperamented dogs I've ever met.
I do like Westies but am not too much for the ever growing coat that need to be stripped or cut. Although I don't think JRTs are for me, I admire a lot of them. They're louder than what I like though lol. I've met a few JRTs that are making all sorts of weird noises while they perform the commands you ask.
Cresties really aren't for me. I'm scared of the hairless ones and not sure what to do with all the hair of the powder puffs lol. I love their build though. I have to say I've only ever met 1 Crestie so my mind could change.
Haha, me too! That'd be so much fun!
Mia's getting to where she's settling more. She'll hang out a lot of the day pretty well... sort of. I have to make sure though that she gets in a good hour or two of hard exercise in a day for her to really be content the rest the day. She'd do much much more than that if I'd let her. I really feel like she needs quite a bit of time off leash sprinting every day to stay happy. She'd demand fetch all day if you'd let her.
I really think you just need another pap.
Mia's getting to where she's settling more. She'll hang out a lot of the day pretty well... sort of. I have to make sure though that she gets in a good hour or two of hard exercise in a day for her to really be content the rest the day. She'd do much much more than that if I'd let her. I really feel like she needs quite a bit of time off leash sprinting every day to stay happy. She'd demand fetch all day if you'd let her.
I really think you just need another pap.
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LOL another Pap. Then my house would be so lively!
Nia loves off leash time too. I try to give her a lot. Usually a couple times per week we'll go to the school field or even tennis court to throw some ball off leash. In the summer she gets almost daily off leash play with a large group of other dogs and she loves it so much. I think that dogs that get a lot of off leash time don't really crave to bolt out the door or run off exploring. Of course I guess it depends on the breed but all of our dogs have been let off leash for as young as 2 months old.
See the problem is if I get another Pap and then I get a different breed like a BC or a golden or something I'd feel bad for that dog then I'll have to get another one still. Then I'll be a 4 dog household and I'll go crazy!
I think a Golden and BC mix is a good way to describe Pap temperament. Actually a dog with the mix in temperament of a Golden and a BC would be absolutely perfect for me.
Nia loves off leash time too. I try to give her a lot. Usually a couple times per week we'll go to the school field or even tennis court to throw some ball off leash. In the summer she gets almost daily off leash play with a large group of other dogs and she loves it so much. I think that dogs that get a lot of off leash time don't really crave to bolt out the door or run off exploring. Of course I guess it depends on the breed but all of our dogs have been let off leash for as young as 2 months old.
See the problem is if I get another Pap and then I get a different breed like a BC or a golden or something I'd feel bad for that dog then I'll have to get another one still. Then I'll be a 4 dog household and I'll go crazy!
I think a Golden and BC mix is a good way to describe Pap temperament. Actually a dog with the mix in temperament of a Golden and a BC would be absolutely perfect for me.
I have never met another breed with a personality similar to a Pap. I've met mixes, though - there is a Golden/Sheltie cross I know who looks and acts like a really big Papillon.
I find Chis way too reserved, other toy breeds aren't high enough energy, and IMO few can match the flamboyance of a Papillon (except maybe a crested!)
<3 them.
I find Chis way too reserved, other toy breeds aren't high enough energy, and IMO few can match the flamboyance of a Papillon (except maybe a crested!)
<3 them.