Breeds that ENJOY children
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Keira and Ripley both adore children! I have no idea why. I exposed them to as many kids as possible, but still, it wasn't that many as I don't know a lot of kids. Regardless, both Dobes think that kids are the best people in the world next to family. I don't think that's necessarily a breed trait, but most of the Dobes I know do love kids. Mine especially so though for whatever reason. 
theres 2 breeds that seriously stand out in my mind when a family asks me about a "family" breed. and BOTH have such bad raps...yet overall...
staffy bull (or any "pit bull" breed)
a WELL BRED cocker spaniel, particularly an english cocker.
cockers have such a horrible rap, everyones amazed when they meet charlie because all the cockers theyve met are mean...but untill i moved here id NEVER heard such things about the cocker (american or english) i grew up with a cocker, she was amazing, i dressed her up, painted her nails, played "baby" with her...my brother puller her ears, tail fur (he was about 3 when we got her) acidentally and she never even winced...
my sister learnt to walk with the aid of meg as a walker...and that kind of behaviour wasnt unusual for cockers when i was growing up, cockers were ALWAYS reccomended as family dogs...happy go lucky, merry dogs, least thats what they should be.
like with many breeds mills and bybs spoilt the breed for the majority but i still hold fast a WELL BRED properly socilized cocker cant be beat as a family dog. sweet trainable and a great small-medium size breed thats not typically overpowering.
staffy bull (or any "pit bull" breed)
a WELL BRED cocker spaniel, particularly an english cocker.
cockers have such a horrible rap, everyones amazed when they meet charlie because all the cockers theyve met are mean...but untill i moved here id NEVER heard such things about the cocker (american or english) i grew up with a cocker, she was amazing, i dressed her up, painted her nails, played "baby" with her...my brother puller her ears, tail fur (he was about 3 when we got her) acidentally and she never even winced...
my sister learnt to walk with the aid of meg as a walker...and that kind of behaviour wasnt unusual for cockers when i was growing up, cockers were ALWAYS reccomended as family dogs...happy go lucky, merry dogs, least thats what they should be.
like with many breeds mills and bybs spoilt the breed for the majority but i still hold fast a WELL BRED properly socilized cocker cant be beat as a family dog. sweet trainable and a great small-medium size breed thats not typically overpowering.
Josh, a lab/dobe mix, was absolutely magical with little kids. They would actually come to my door to ask if Josh could come out and play. Stand in the street chatting with a neighbor and all these munchkins would sprout up out of the ground to cling to him, pet him, whisper in his ear. He smilingly tolerated hats, scarfs, and once a blanket wrapped around his middle by a pint-sized little worrier who told us earnestly that he was coh! Best dog ever, hands down.
My first dog is a rescued Pitty/lab mix and she LOVES all kids, she's a great baby sitter...my mother dog is an English Springer and she's the same...the newest addition to my family (that is myself, my hubby and my daughter) is a Norwegian Elkhound, while he's still a baby, he doesn't seem to be as keen on the interaction side of it. He's more like your other dog who is very gentle and loving, but would rather Tova rub his belly than play tug with him
I would say Rottweiler's are typically a breed that tend to love children. I have owned them for now close to 33 years. I have been active in rescue for around 23 years and have worked with literally hundreds of Rottweilers. Most of which loved children, most of which ended up being Therapy dogs and working with children in some capacity.
Rottweilers are a Molosser breed, not a bully breed.
Molossers breeds (Molosser dogs, Molossers, Mastiff breeds)
And "Red Rottweiler's" are a fault, not a good thing at all.
Red "Rottweilers"
Rottweilers are a Molosser breed, not a bully breed.
Molossers breeds (Molosser dogs, Molossers, Mastiff breeds)
And "Red Rottweiler's" are a fault, not a good thing at all.
Red "Rottweilers"
color faults that have nothing to do w/ health are just stupid. no good dog can have a bad color, that's why greys, whippets, pits, foxhounds & catahoulas come in all or nearly all colors & patterns. a red dog isn't any less capable of catching cattle.
a proper rott (not the giant overweight mastiffy BYB crap) is structurally closer to a bulldog than a mastiff. also it's ORIGINAL job as a metzgerhund is a bulldog job, so yeah they are a german bulldog.
a proper rott (not the giant overweight mastiffy BYB crap) is structurally closer to a bulldog than a mastiff. also it's ORIGINAL job as a metzgerhund is a bulldog job, so yeah they are a german bulldog.
A ressesive color does come with added risk for heath problems. Alot of genetic problems ride on the resesive genes.
I would like to see, who did the studies on the reds carrying more health problems. I know its true in Dobes (resesives and dilutes)
But I guess you know more the the Rot Club right Pops?
I would like to see, who did the studies on the reds carrying more health problems. I know its true in Dobes (resesives and dilutes)
But I guess you know more the the Rot Club right Pops?
How many have you owned or know personally? I have known some and they were quite unhealthy. Then again, this is over a period of 33 years of owning strictly Rottweiler's. I have owned working and show line Rottweiler's. I have never owned a Red one and doubt I ever will.
I am not a fan of red dogs, just personaly preferrence. I feel the same about Dobes in Red. I prefer black and tan/mahogony. Says the person with the same color dogs for most of her lifetime.
solid red is recessive to black but isn't any more unhealthy. it is very different from a dilute. if solid red were in & of itself more unhealthy it would be equally true across the board for all breeds. i would suggest reds in the USA might be less healthy for the same reason 150# rotts are unhealthy, they are mostly the product of crap breeders.
i stumbled onto the red rottis about 5 years ago when i was inquiring into solid dobes. i was told by the guy who put me in touch w/ a working dobe breeder in germany that he also knew a couple of guys in eastern europe breeding & WORKING red rottis and that like most working lines they were far superior in health to much pure show stock. for personal reasons i wound up not getting a dobe and lost contact w/ the guy, but i met him through a working dobe board.
i stumbled onto the red rottis about 5 years ago when i was inquiring into solid dobes. i was told by the guy who put me in touch w/ a working dobe breeder in germany that he also knew a couple of guys in eastern europe breeding & WORKING red rottis and that like most working lines they were far superior in health to much pure show stock. for personal reasons i wound up not getting a dobe and lost contact w/ the guy, but i met him through a working dobe board.
I am not trying to be nit picky but talking to one breeder of working dogs does not an expert make. People who breed Rottweiler's here are not ethical breeders. The breed standard calls for black and Tan/Mahogany and Red, is not allowed. There are definitely health issues involved.
Rottweiler's WERE originally drovers. They started out in Rome and were used to drive cattle "on the hoof" as a food source for the Roman soldiers.
Also, just in case you do chose to purchase a Rottweiler from Germany, use caution. Hearts are often not checked and some European lines have huge problems with hearts. Just a heads up. I know some folks think if they get the dog from Germany they automatically have a better quality dog and that couldn't be further from the truth.
Since this thread isn't about color or where a dog comes from, I will just say once again. The Rottweiler is an excellent dog with children if properly socialized and trained. I can't imagine a better breed to have as a family dog but then, I am partial.
Rottweiler's WERE originally drovers. They started out in Rome and were used to drive cattle "on the hoof" as a food source for the Roman soldiers.
Also, just in case you do chose to purchase a Rottweiler from Germany, use caution. Hearts are often not checked and some European lines have huge problems with hearts. Just a heads up. I know some folks think if they get the dog from Germany they automatically have a better quality dog and that couldn't be further from the truth.
Since this thread isn't about color or where a dog comes from, I will just say once again. The Rottweiler is an excellent dog with children if properly socialized and trained. I can't imagine a better breed to have as a family dog but then, I am partial.
you're assuming i only talked to one breeder, although i did talk to a few, i really talked to a lot of trainer/handlers to get a less biased opinion. You are right i am not an expert in PP or Rotts, but i can gaurantee i've owned, trained, handled &/or worked a lot of dogs (especially bulldogs and based on the half dozen well bred rottis & the tons of junk i've seen they are just a german bulldog). Yes the vast majority of rotti breeders are junk breeders. As for the standard only allowing B&T, that is an affectation of the early 20th century in the 1800s & the very early 1900s red was a COMMON color. it was only w/ the advent of modern dog showing that red was disallowed & that outside of germany first.
okay, this is about as true as the CIA blowing up the trade towers.
First during the republic period the Roman armies were composed primarily of Romans & Latin allies for cavalry & heavy infantry and the auxilliaries (slingers, archers etc) were drawn from the other italian & greek allies. All had similar eating cultures heavy on cereal grain and light on meat.
second, the primary meat of these cultures was sheep & goat (both of which were included in the collective term cattle), however over 3/4 of the roman armies' protein requirements were met from cheese & nuts (because meat tended to spoil quickly it was rarely eaten during the summer campaigning season & the armies planted walnuts along their march to supply the next generation) the bulk of which being made from goat & sheep milk.
third cattle (all kinds) were generally acquired enroute by foraging parties or as a result of the conquest of cities.
fourth it wasn't until the imperial period when the army was heavily populated w/ latinized gauls & germanic allies that beef & cheese from cows milk (and pork as well) became significant portions of the "roman" soldiers diet. it would have been at this point that the "romans would have made use of the native gallic & germanic dogs used for herding these larger & rougher livestock (development of the big fat easy handling beef breeds didn't begin until the late 1700s & mostly in britain, most continental breeds were still very wild until the mid 1800s). IOW the ancestral stock of german metzgerhund(and swiss sennenhund) were already present in north central europe.
lastly, the original name for the breed was rottweiller metzgerhund, which literally translates into butcher's dog from the city of Rottweil. now in germany as britain, france, spain & everywhere else in western europe the job of the butcher's dog was not to chase livestock around the enclosed paddock but to grab & hold rough livestock like cattle & hogs AND if necessary drag it to where the butcher directed (where it was convenient for him to slaughter). droving or herding was a job for a different type of dog (collies & curs in britain and GSDs & schnauzers in the german countries). rottis must be taught to herd it is NOT instinctive, catching (that is grabbing on and holding on for all they're worth) OTH IS INSTINCTIVE. over half of the dozen or so crap bred rottis i've seen taken from the pound & put on hogs have caught the FIRST time out, only "pitt bulls" have been more consistant (and "rottadors").
absolutely true, and not just for rotts but danes, boxers, dobes & GSDs as well, but you will usually get a harder or tougher personality that works better in certain fields.
on this we completely agree.
okay, this is about as true as the CIA blowing up the trade towers.
First during the republic period the Roman armies were composed primarily of Romans & Latin allies for cavalry & heavy infantry and the auxilliaries (slingers, archers etc) were drawn from the other italian & greek allies. All had similar eating cultures heavy on cereal grain and light on meat.
second, the primary meat of these cultures was sheep & goat (both of which were included in the collective term cattle), however over 3/4 of the roman armies' protein requirements were met from cheese & nuts (because meat tended to spoil quickly it was rarely eaten during the summer campaigning season & the armies planted walnuts along their march to supply the next generation) the bulk of which being made from goat & sheep milk.
third cattle (all kinds) were generally acquired enroute by foraging parties or as a result of the conquest of cities.
fourth it wasn't until the imperial period when the army was heavily populated w/ latinized gauls & germanic allies that beef & cheese from cows milk (and pork as well) became significant portions of the "roman" soldiers diet. it would have been at this point that the "romans would have made use of the native gallic & germanic dogs used for herding these larger & rougher livestock (development of the big fat easy handling beef breeds didn't begin until the late 1700s & mostly in britain, most continental breeds were still very wild until the mid 1800s). IOW the ancestral stock of german metzgerhund(and swiss sennenhund) were already present in north central europe.
lastly, the original name for the breed was rottweiller metzgerhund, which literally translates into butcher's dog from the city of Rottweil. now in germany as britain, france, spain & everywhere else in western europe the job of the butcher's dog was not to chase livestock around the enclosed paddock but to grab & hold rough livestock like cattle & hogs AND if necessary drag it to where the butcher directed (where it was convenient for him to slaughter). droving or herding was a job for a different type of dog (collies & curs in britain and GSDs & schnauzers in the german countries). rottis must be taught to herd it is NOT instinctive, catching (that is grabbing on and holding on for all they're worth) OTH IS INSTINCTIVE. over half of the dozen or so crap bred rottis i've seen taken from the pound & put on hogs have caught the FIRST time out, only "pitt bulls" have been more consistant (and "rottadors").
absolutely true, and not just for rotts but danes, boxers, dobes & GSDs as well, but you will usually get a harder or tougher personality that works better in certain fields.
on this we completely agree.