Breeding a Rescue (hypothetical question)

[showpug]

If you can't afford a dog with "papers" then you can't afford to breed a litter responsibly.

 

[Ladychaos]

First to stay on topic, I think it is completely unethical to breed a rescue dog. All rescue or pet quality purebreds should be spayed or neutered unless medical reasons prevent them from being able to go threw the surgery...

Nikita
Siberian Husky

Size: Medium
Age: Adult
Gender: Female
ID: 16837

Notes: Meet Nikita! Nikita will make absolutely sure you stay physically fit by being your best bud on long walks. She'll even make it worth your while with great doggie kisses and tail wags! Nikita is strikingly beautiful, oh so sweet, just wants to please and loves getting attention and being petted. She's friendly, confident, athletic and smart. What more can you want from this beauty? Nikita walks pretty well on a leash and responds to many commands, but would benefit from positive obedience classes and possibly an owner experienced with her breed. Nikita likes to be an only dog, but would make a super companion; especially for an active person who enjoys hiking and the outdoors. At 7 years old, Nikita qualifies for our Senior Companion where all fees are waived if the adopter is over the age of 60. -km

Looks purebred...

Tundra
Siberian Husky

Size: Large
Age: Adult
Gender: Male
ID:

Notes: Tundra is about 5 years old and current on shots. He loves all people, but does not like other dogs or cats. He needs to be an only dog. He's a big boy for a Siberian Husky.

ALEX
Siberian Husky

Size: Medium
Age: Young
Gender: Male
ID: 201390

Notes: Alex is a 1 1/2 year old red/white Siberian husky. He is full of puppy energy and loves to play. Alex would love a home with a female husky to play with and parents who will give him lots of love and exercise. Alex has been know to escape...he likes to play at the school yard - so he needs a home with a secure yard. Alex is exceptionally smart, he aced his dog training classes. Of course he has the husky obedience protocol - he sits, lays when its convenient for him- he loves treats! Alex has a bit of a sensitive stomach, so he eats special food, but it doesn't cost any extra than normal dog food. If you would like to make Alex apart of your family.

And those are just a few of hundreds in just my area! The last thing we need are more huskies that are doing nothing to better the breed only take away homes from well bred dogs or rescue dogs.

 

[noludoru]

Thanks, guys. It was certainly very bitchy of me, but I was annoyed. Think our penguin will respond? Bright colors usually garner some sort of attention..

Ladychaos.. :hail: Exactly. Such beautiful pups..

Wolfsoul, I have a question for you. Those breeders--did they have in in their contracts that the dogs were not to be resold/re-homed and were to go back to the breeder? Aren't you supposed to? That's what I encouraged my neighbor to do with her litter.. but who knows.

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

Here is what mine states:

J. Owner agrees that in the event owner no longer wishes to keep, or is unable to keep this dog at any time or for any reason whatsoever that Redyre Rottweilers and XXXXXXX X XXXXX will be notified at once, and offered the FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL to purchase the dog at the original purchase price. Buyer has read and understands the FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL or OPTION CONTRACT attached hereto. Under no circumstances shall this dog be sold or transferred to any commercial breeder. Dog shall not be sold, transferred, given away, disposed of, or change ownership or residence without the express written permission and approval of Redyre Rottweilers and XXXXXXX X XXXXX. Should this dog be so transferred in any manner in violation of this agreement, Redyre and XXXXXXX X XXXXX shall be entitled to damages up to 10 times the purchase price or $10,000.00US, whichever is greater. Owner agrees to keep Redyre Rottweilers and XXXXXXX X XXXXX advised of current address, telephone number, email address, and any other contact information for the lifetime of the dog. Redyre and XXXXXXX X XXXXX shall be notified immediately of any serious illness, injury, or death of said dog.

******seller______________Buyer______________Witness___________

And in another area:

C. Seller hereby agrees that this dog may be returned to the seller at any time for any reason for the duration of the lifetime of the dog. Any dog returned must be returned WITH Registration papers duly signed over to the breeder. Puppy may be returned for any reason, along with duly signed registration papers, within the first 14 days and buyer may receive a full refund, less any shipping expenses

 

[Brattina88]

yea, but some people are just dumb, and will rehome a dog without a second thought - even if there is a contract...

 

[MaryAndDobes]

yea, but some people are just dumb, and will rehome a dog without a second thought - even if there is a contract...

They're not always dumb. Some of them are embarrassed. They know all the promises they made when they bought the dog. Maybe down the road, they didn't do a good job raising the dog and they're having problems and they don't want to admit to the breeder that they failed.

Additionally, a lot of people don't even remember where they got their dog. I run into this in my rescue work all the time. Some of them remember part of a person's name, they may remember a general area where the breeder lived, sometimes they recall part of the kennel name. It is amazing to me that they don't remember. But I guess not everyone is organized when it comes to keeping paperwork together.

In both cases, I think it speaks directly to a lack of breeder involvement after the sale.

 

[FoxyWench]

Additionally, a lot of people don't even remember where they got their dog. I run into this in my rescue work all the time. Some of them remember part of a person's name, they may remember a general area where the breeder lived, sometimes they recall part of the kennel name. It is amazing to me that they don't remember. But I guess not everyone is organized when it comes to keeping paperwork together.

In both cases, I think it speaks directly to a lack of breeder involvement after the sale.

and this is why i personally follow up often after the puppy sale (i also "demand" pictures lol which is a nice way of keeping intouch with the buyer and letting the buyer know you are there and care about the pup.)
i have a must return ot me policy in my contract and i breed VERY occasionally

 

[noludoru]

Thanks, Red.. that's exactly what I thought most responsible breeders put in their contracts. I would never buy from someone who did not have something similar.

 

[ToscasMom]

I'm a breeder that is also active in rescue. As a rescue person, we often get in intact dogs and yes, some of them arrive with registrations and papers. I would NEVER consider breeding a rescue dog even if I did know its history. It goes against every facet of rescue!

When we get in a dog that can be traced to a breeder, the breeder is contacted and asked if they will take it back. If they will, great. If they won't, it's just a sign of the type of the breeder they are and no matter how great looking the dog is, why would anyone want to tie themselves to that name by breeding the dog? Why would you want to further their cause? The dog found itself into rescue, and rescue dogs should be altered - period. No ifs, ands or buts.

Breeding a rescue dog sure is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

If breeding a nice dog were someone's goal, why wouldn't they acquire one from a good breeder, a mentor, and start from there???

...what she said.:hail:

 

[mrose_s]

if soemone breeds a dog that ends up int he pound, they arn't breeding ethically so the pups aren't to standard to be bred

 

[Cole's Mom]

I have to disagree. You can put in the contract that the puppy should come back to you, but that is no guarrantee that it will. Contracts do not stop people from dumping dogs. Staying in contact with people helps, but they move, they stop returning calls, they fall off the face of the Earth. With all your best efforts, some people will disappear with your puppy and you can't do anything about it.

You can only do the best that you can for your dogs.

 

[RedyreRottweilers]

You are so right, CM.

One other thing I do to hedge my bets is I chip all puppies before they leave with my info. This way if they EVER end up lost or in a shelter, hopefully I would be notified.

Things happen that we cannot predict or prevent, we can only do the best we can to try to make sure our puppies stay safe.

 

[planet molosser]

Breeding any dog with no genetic pedigree is WRONG.
It is called breeding X factors.
Most Dogs in shelters have issues even with pedigrees.

But dont forget years ago a GSD was found tied to a tree in poor shape.
That dog was traced thru the tattoo and later became a Westminster winning dog.

I have 2 neutered males one neutered for population control the other a issue in the litter.

And I do NOT regret it one bit but my hubby does.

Strict breeding practices reduce health issues but does NOT eliminate it.
Anything less then strict proves time and time again to be a waiting nightmare others have to clean up.

I get calls all the time from shelters and my policy is I will pick the dog up if they are SPAYED or NEUTERED I wont take intact dogs here .
Accidents can happen and I refuse to have one.