Breeder ? breed before interest or after

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#21
Originally Posted by IliamnasQuest

I'd rather see breeders breed and sell their pups to loving people who make the pup part of their family, then to keep another pup that sits out in a concrete kennel run most of its life.

Melanie and the gang in Alaska
I do so agree. I don't have runs set up at all here, but I can tell you it is a LOT of work doing everything as far as training and socialization on just TWO puppies.

Any puppies I keep get the same treatment, socialization and training that they would if I were going to keep and compete with them. This is the only way they can be ready to step into a new home and adjust successfully later. It is wrong, IMO, to keep puppies if you are not going to give them all they need to develop into the best they can be.

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PM how sad to hear of another person breeding underage unproven dogs with no health testing.
 

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Within my breed, it's pretty rare to even attempt a breeding without at least expressed interest and several deposits on pups.

There was one "breeder" that mass produced PHs and 15 or so of them are now in rescue awaiting homes. All of whom were wild things that were allowed free roam in a barn without any socialization at all.
 
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Well at least RED we know they will never be here PEDDLING them pups...

So much goes into temperament part inherited part work by the dam of the litter and big part of what the breeder does with the pups.

I remember I went into a ring with a 3 month old pup of mine and did my PUPPY call and the 15 month old one OUTSIDE the ring dragged his 6'3 owner up and over the ropes to get at me _ never forgetting the bond we had..

Oh well I got to grow a thicker skin for these backyard breeders ..
But when I stop caring maybe it is time for me to stop breeding.
 

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Melanie, you make a good point and I agree. There's a demand for well-bred dogs of just about any breed, and I see nothing wrong with breeding to fill that demand - better than irresponsible people breeding dogs from "pet" lines.

I, too, would rather place a puppy in a good pet home than keep it when I'm unable to give it the attention it needs.

I have to wonder though, if I'd consider a breeding worthwhile if all my puppies went to pet homes. If everyone expressing interest in my dogs just wanted a pet, I don't know if I'd feel okay about producing a litter when they could just as easily find their pet in rescue? That being said, I got my pets from breeders because I couldn't find an ideal match in rescue, and I don't think pet owners should be denied the opportunity to get a well-bred dog. Blah. I don't fully know where I stand on this one. =/
 

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I have to wonder though, if I'd consider a breeding worthwhile if all my puppies went to pet homes. If everyone expressing interest in my dogs just wanted a pet, I don't know if I'd feel okay about producing a litter when they could just as easily find their pet in rescue? That being said, I got my pets from breeders because I couldn't find an ideal match in rescue, and I don't think pet owners should be denied the opportunity to get a well-bred dog. Blah. I don't fully know where I stand on this one. =/
This is a toughie - I've kind of jumped around on either side of the rope, so to speak. I think people should be breeding for quality and certainly concentrating on health and temperament while still following the breed standard. And in that aspect, they should be producing some pups that are capable of being excellent representatives of the breed.

On the other hand, there are a lot of people who want to buy a puppy and start with a puppy, and to them a rescue is not a viable option. I don't judge those people - I've been down both routes and in all honesty the dogs that I've gotten as eight week old puppies tend to be much easier in the long run as far as building a trusting relationship and tight bond (especially if you want the dog to eventually be trustworthy off-leash, at least when you're dealing with chows). Adult dogs and even sometimes older puppies can come with a lot of baggage - they don't generally end up in rescue because they had a loving family that took great care of them. So if a person wants to start with a puppy from a breeder I really can't fault them. And if they want a puppy, I would much rather see a quality breeder producing pups specifically for pet homes than to have these people wander onto puppyfind.com and buy from whatever breeder will take the cash.

A couple years ago you would have never seen me defending a breeder that specifically bred for pet homes, but now I don't know. I've had too many people ask me where to buy a chow puppy and I can't find many quality breeders who don't want an arm and a leg for a pup (some want top show price for their pet pups too), and the non-quality breeders aren't doing the health testing or following breed standard, let alone breeding for temperament or doing any of the proper socialization and handling with the pups before they sell them. The good breeders often breed just a litter or two a year (or less) and with chow litters averaging about four pups per litter, even if the price is okay with someone it's often hard to find a good quality puppy unless you have an "in" with the show people.

It's a catch-22 for sure.

Melanie and the gang in Alaska
 

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I won't have a litter even if I've got 40 approved and wonderfully repsonsible homes lined up. I don't breed to sell dogs period.

I only have a litter when I am capable of taking on the raising and caring for the vast majority of the litter. I know people here don't agree with me, but even if I cannot keep a pup or 2, I don't expect for someone else to have to pay me for what I, me myself alone, chose to do. If that's the case, I will either farm the dog out or give the dog to the home of my choosing.

So IMO this person dug themselves their own hole and now it's time for them to lie in it.
 

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#27
Whether you have a litter at home or one through a Stud dog , early want lists are important . I never bred my males to just any female .....if I couldn't approve and help sales , it was a no go .
 

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