Breed you want in the future (boerboel pics inside)

[BullyVixen]

So what is the breed you REALLY want? Post pics and explain why. And tell us the breeds youve owned in the past.

For me, im a molosser fan. I personally think they are the most goegeous dogs out there. And Ive only owned a rottweiler and love them but I really want something that is not in the AKC world. I want something that you dont see every day.

I want a dog that will defend its family to the death. I want protection after some bad things that have happened to me and I dont want a gun. Ive been through a lot of scary things in my life. I have kids as well. Ive been reading up on the breed.

If anyone has any personal experience, let me know.

The breeds ive owned in the past... rottweiler, doberman, chihuahua, APBT, chow, and german shepherd.

 

[BullyVixen]

Heres a pic of one of my favorite breeds. Chihuahua.

 

[Kat09Tails]

I want a dog that will defend its family to the death. I want protection after some bad things that have happened to me and I dont want a gun. Ive been through a lot of scary things in my life. I have kids as well. Ive been reading up on the breed.

I'm sorry. I know this isn't what you wanted this thread to be about but what you're asking for is absolutely asinine. If you are so unwilling to change your life to the point of getting a gunsafe and learning how to shoot a personal protection dog is not what you need and probably not a dog you'd be happy with. 99% of people who would wish you and your property harm will not mess with you if you have any dog of size and demeanor. There is easier prey out there. The 1% who would still act upon you despite the dog would have no problem killing your dog and then harming or killing you. It is absolutely idiotic to put a dog in a position you are unwilling to take yourself because a dog is far less reliable than a gun and you never know how your dog will react to a real threat until a real threat presents. Most dogs don't have the nerve for it, even if the breed has a breed history garnered with tales of fiction or happenstance the odds of actually getting a real PP dog are slim and certainly not something that can be counted on with the same reliability as a round in the chamber.

Secondly owning a PP dog is a way of life. These are not dogs who are typically housepets, great with kids, or social butterflies. These dogs require lots of expensive training, upkeep, and containment. There is also the liability factor with owning a dog like this. Your dog may not distinguish between the plumber, your kid's friends, and a real threat. You have to be willing to deal with that and manage your life accordingly.

Finally, I personally find it pretty horrible that anyone would want a dog who would fight to the death for their family while their owner isn't going for lethal backup. The dog who is willing to kill himself to protect your family deserves better than that.

 

[HayleyMarie]

Well said Kat, now a mastiff is a HUGE responsibility, but that is putting WAY too much on the dogs shoulders. A dog should not be used for defence instead of a gun. Thats just stupid. IMO.

I will own a mastiff, but I will also be owning a gun. Dogs are not perfect. You have no idea how your dogs going to react in a real life dangerouse situation and in that case I would rather have the gun.


A plain ol' black dog would even be a perfect detterant on your property. You don't need a mastiff for that. I think you need a more reasons that just "i want a dog to protect me to the death" for a mastiff and "i want somthing different"

 

[noludoru]

I'm sorry. I know this isn't what you wanted this thread to be about but what you're asking for is absolutely asinine. If you are so unwilling to change your life to the point of getting a gunsafe and learning how to shoot a personal protection dog is not what you need and probably not a dog you'd be happy with. 99% of people who would wish you and your property harm will not mess with you if you have any dog of size and demeanor. There is easier prey out there. The 1% who would still act upon you despite the dog would have no problem killing your dog and then harming or killing you. It is absolutely idiotic to put a dog in a position you are unwilling to take yourself because a dog is far less reliable than a gun and you never know how your dog will react to a real threat until a real threat presents. Most dogs don't have the nerve for it, even if the breed has a breed history garnered with tales of fiction or happenstance the odds of actually getting a real PP dog are slim and certainly not something that can be counted on with the same reliability as a round in the chamber.

Secondly owning a PP dog is a way of life. These are not dogs who are typically housepets, great with kids, or social butterflies. These dogs require lots of expensive training, upkeep, and containment. There is also the liability factor with owning a dog like this. Your dog may not distinguish between the plumber, your kid's friends, and a real threat. You have to be willing to deal with that and manage your life accordingly.

Finally, I personally find it pretty horrible that anyone would want a dog who would fight to the death for their family while their owner isn't going for lethal backup. The dog who is willing to kill himself to protect your family deserves better than that.

I couldn't possibly like this post more than if there was a picture of Jewel Staite included in it.

Expecting an animal to fight to the death for you is ridiculous to begin with. Relationships are mutual - if your dog is willing to protect you that much, you should be as well, and that requires finding some other sort of personal protection.

I think you should just get a large black dog and teach it to bark at the door. That is more than enough of a deterrent to keep most people away, and black dogs are hard to adopt from shelters, so you'd be saving a life.

 

[Zoom]

Get a gun, learn to use it, teach your kids about gun safety. Then get a big black dog for the visual deterrant.

I mean, I'll be getting a Fila and I'm still going to have a shot gun around for the actual home defense. The dog is going to be an early warning system and will keep away most of the baddies, but when it comes down to it, a chest full of buckshot, or even rock salt, is going to be a lot more effective.

 

[SarahHound]

I want a Saluki, Deerhound, Lurcher and Springer Spaniel.

I have owned Greyhounds and Lurchers.

 

[BullyVixen]

Hmmm, maybe what I said came off different than what I meant. I dont want a dog for the sole purpose of protection. I want a dog to love. I cant own any guns for 5 years... and im not gonna go into that. Legally, I cant own one. Ive shot a 22. and a 9mm and even a high powered rifle. I know how to use them. I just cant own one.

I've read about boerboels and I love their temperament. And im fully aware of the importance of training.

"Boerboels are sensitive to their environment and their owners' moods - they cry and laugh right alongside you. They are quite charming when not being lazy, and will not hesitate to defend you to the death. This dog is the most protective dog breed that is not aggressive. The potential for aggression if not properly trained and socialized, combined with their intelligence, protective instincts, large size, physical strength, and sheer stubbornness, make the boerboel breed unsuitable for first-time or inexperienced dog owners. Boerboels require human companionship and structure. Owners must be able to control their dogs, through physical strength and social dominance, to prevent the breed's natural protectiveness from becoming aggression"

 

[Aescleah]

ok i am going to chime in here i have a boerboel they are a huge responsibility they are not to be taken lightly. if you like them i would suggest you spend time with the breed and with people who own them. they are not for everyone. i dont mean to sound self rightous but all the research and talking and owning things like a GSD rotties and other such things will not prepare you for a boerboel. you had better understand dog body language know alot about training dogs what methods to use and why, that meaning not only having the knowledge but how to set it to practical use. you will need a trainer anyone who gets there first Boerboel will learn this either one of two ways the easy way or the hard way.
problem i see here is you want to find a passive way to deal with your insecurities. there is nothing passive about a boerboel. you need to take responsibility for yourself before you get a Boerboel.
here is a story for you remember when i was talking about trainers not all are created equal many many many trainers say they know about dominate breeds but dont. the other night one of my friends who has a boerboel brought his dog to class. he is a good dog but he does not suffer fools and the trainer was a fool. she tried to make a correction and he humped her across the training field. dominence is not always biting and aggresion as people think about, it its a way of being, of control. if you dont take responsibilty for your own safety how can you think about taking on the responsibility of a dominate breed, without it becoming a general menace to society think about it.

Ashley

 

[BullyVixen]

what do you mean I dont take responsibility for my own safety? Im wondering what you mean by that.

Like I said, I understand the importance of training. I am aware a boerboel is way different than the other guardian breeds i listed. I am interested and want to learn more about them. I dont want to simply get one and throw it in the back yard and expect it to grow into a good companion. I know training and socialization is most important.

 

[Dizzy]

A dog worthy of any wishlist!

 

[Aescleah]

the thing about the hype about this breed is some of the breeders make the boerboel sound more like a mythical creature then what it is. the perfect guardian breed how they all protect without aggression. i have heard more then a few stories about a boerboel one minuate asleep and then in full attack mode in a blink of a eye. they know what you are thinking yes they really do sense your moods, but that can work against you as well. they sense your insecurities and not always cooperate if they dont think they really have to.
another bunch of stories i have heard and do believe is boerboel puppies are smart they learn well and are very very low key, and you dont see the short comings of your training program until about 2 years old, when they start getting protective. then some decide you are not the leader they may love you to death, but they will bite visitors or nieghbours or anyone THEY decide is a threat or correct you when you are trying to correct them. my bitch is 1.6 years old and she is just starting to come into her own. she is just starting to patrol the yard and bark at people who come by, but the other day i was doing a training session with her off leash, a child drove by on his bike. zeph was about to give chase automatically she barley even thought about it and was just reacting. i called her back and she was just fine cause we drill recall and heel alot, but the point i am making is it could have been that quick we even drill harder now because of it.
another thing you have to think about is you have to earn your boerboels respect and trust bonding is not automatic. it is not just given because you feed and love them.

the fact you want the perfect breed to handle your security concerns makes me a bit worried there is no substitute for being aware of your surroundings to learn some self defense or having a alarm system a good terrier can bark and ahem take control of security worries. in africa things are alot different there are literally roving bands of thugs and brigands, home invasions are common people die on a regular basis and a dog like a boerboel really is needed. do you really need that level of protection when i say you are not taking responsibility for your own security i mean buying a dog to protect you is passive the dog is your look out alarm bells and your gun all in one package. its a living breathing thing that makes its own choices not you. yes its part of the family and all but do you think of your security and the part you play in it when the dog is not barking or reminding you there might be a problem.

Ashley

 

[milos_mommy]

My advice would be to start looking at breeders now, meet the dogs, tell them what you're looking for and what your lifestyle is, changes you're willing to make, and see if they think you might be a good home for one. It's hard to say whether someone can be a good home for a breed over the internet, especially a breed like the Boerboel, but I can say they aren't for someone inexperienced (and no matter how many rottweilers or chows you own, it's not going to prepare you for a boerboel). If you don't have a lot of hands-on experience with large breed guardian dogs and molossers, mishandling (even accidentally) a dog like a boerboel is not going to end well for anyone.

 

[Sit Stay]

*Likes Kat's post*

My top breeds are the English Shepherd and the GSD. I'm not sure which I'll be getting next, but I know I'll definitely own both in the future.

I'm also looking into Belgian Shepherds - Groenendaels and Tervurens specifically. I haven't met any yet but I'm hoping to this summer and we'll go from there - either they won't be a good fit or I'll love them and I'll have an even harder decision to make.

I can also see myself with a Chihuahua in the future.

 

[Tazwell]

A Family that comes to Petsmart has a Boerbol pup, almost a year old now. They've had Bouviers, and they've found that he is nothing like the bouvs. He's great with the kids, but it's very difficult for them to handle his instinctual behavior. They have trouble having guests come over, despite plenty of early socialization.

 

[Laurelin]

My next three dogs will be...

A border collie to play agility with.

A sheltie. Just cause I love them and need another (also to play agility with)

And a papillon. Show quality foundation bitch (and to play agility).

Order will just depend on what I find first from breeders or rescues that fit.

 

[*blackrose]

Spanish Mastiff, definitely.

Labrador and Rottwieler are also very, very likely. I'm also still hoping to find a rat/chi/boston thing in a shelter eventually.

 

[MicksMom]

We'll always have a Lab. I'd really like to add a poweder puff Chinese Crested to the family, too. Goldens and Siberians are possibilities, too.

Breeds I've owned: grew up with a Standard Poodle, Toy Poodle, Norwegian Elkhounds, a couple of mutts and a Siberian Husky. As an adult I've had a black Lab, GSD/Siberian Husky mix, Lab/English Setter Mix and a Lab. Plus our friend's Golden who we babysat when our friend traveled for work (totaled up, he spent about 7 of his 14 years with us), another friend's Rottweiler we used to babysit, y grandmother's Toy Poodle (after my grandmother died), and a young Brittany we fostered for awhile.

 

[Toller_08]

More Tollers will be in my future for sure. They're the only breed I'm 100% certain about. Other breeds I'd like to have one day are: Rottweiler, Belgian Shepherd, German Shepherd Dog, English Shepherd, Australian Shepherd, Siberian Husky and something small at some point too (likely a Chihuahua, but I like JRTs and Papillons too). I love Leonbergers too, but I'm not sure if I'll ever own one. Owning a giant breed like that will all depend on what sort of situation I'm in. Dalmatians are another that cross my mind regularly as well. I likely won't end up with every breed on my list, but the ones listed above are the ones I'm the most interested in owning.

Breeds I own currently and have owned in the past are: Rottweilers, Dobermans, a Toller (and a Toller/Border Collie mix), Miniature Dachshunds, a Dalmatian, a Bichon Frise and then we had a couple other breeds for short periods of time at different points as well, but not permanently.

 

[PWCorgi]

This literally changes on a daily basis for me.

The past few days I have been all about Border Collies.

Last night into today this has changed to Labs. I also met two adorable French Bulldogs at work today, so I want one of them too.