Breed Specific Legislation

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  1. Renee750il

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    The whole concept attacks the wrong end of the problem - the dogs. The owners are the problem.

    Also, it's grossly unjust that medium to large dogs are always assumed to be the problem. I've personally never had a problem with any of the large breeds, and I used to go surveying with my Dad in all kinds of areas, so I had plenty of opportunities! The only problems I've ever had were two different occasions and locations, while walking on a city sidewalk (where there is a leash law) when two different 'ankle-biters' ran out of their unfenced yards and bit me. I asked around, and the neighbors and people who routinely walked that way had the same problem, but since they were small dogs, it wasn't considered a problem and the animal control people refused to even issue a warning to the owners.
     
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    This drives me absolutly crazy... Why don't they ban stupid people instead? Probably because there's too many of them and no place to put them...HA...
    We have the same problem around here with little dogs. A block from my house is a lady with 5 little dogs, 3 poodles/poodle mixes, one chihuahua and one weinner dog (i say this because its a mix of who knows what, but its long and low to the ground). She never keeps them leashed even though there are strict leash laws, but she never gets in trouble. They're vicious little things, attacked me and Maddie twice. (we never walk that way anymore) I had half the temptation to let Maddie bite back and defend herself, but that wouldn't be very responsible, would it? :mad: Everyones complained, especailly the mail lady!
    To anyone who lives where there are strict pit bull/staff bans: be careful if you get an American Bulldog puppy... :(

    Do you guys know of any websites are places to e-mail about reporting actual fighting dogs? My Uncle's girlfriend's brother breeds them and fights them in Mansfield where I know, and that list proves it, there illegal to own there. Has training crap in his backyard, 'practices' back there & keeps the wounded in the garage if they're 'fixable' after a fight. Has fighting cocks too, not to mention he's a total pot head (can't they smell that from the road?!) I'm in a tight situation reporting this, my uncle's Girlfriend... my uncle... I don't think my family would appriciate this because they're about to get married... :( :( Any advice would help me a lot
     
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    If it is dog fighting, I would start with your local sheriff's office and Human Society.
    I would report anyone abusing dogs and expecially for sport/profiting illegal activity.
    Your family should be proud that you did report him as he is breaking the law and will eventually tarnish your good families name and reputation if you decide not to 'handle your own'. At least that is the way it is where I am from :)

    Really though. Dog fighting is very harmful to the dogs, it adds to the dog problems of the world, it shows dogs at their worst, it distorts people's thinking on dogs, and it is just plain sadistic for anyone to actually enjoy watching animals hurt and kill each other for spectator sport.

    I'd be having a talk with my Unc, he should take the lead in handling the matter. If I were Unc, I would have sis turn him in. He just might find out what she is made of at the same time.

    Chazhound
     
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    There are usually anonymous methods for reporting this type of thing. Often, too, it's easier to report a crime - such as the drugs and dog fighting - anonymously than it is to report to the humane society or animal control.

    You can get a report of the complaint call, including the name, address and phone number, from most animal control agencies if someone has made a complaint against your animal, so in a case like this where anonymity would be desirable, I'd go with reporting to the sheriff's department or other law enforcement. Actually, I'd report it to two different agencies, say the sheriff's department and the police or your state bureau of investigation, so that if someone in law enforcement is protecting these people (it happens more than you'd like to think) you have two separate entities that are looking at it, making it very difficult to continue the cover. DO NOT, under any circumstances, make any calls to report this from your home telephone. Your state bureau of investigation should have a website; I'd check there to see about anonymous tipping. They should be very interested in animal fighting rings.

    I definitely would not confront or talk to any of the family members about this. People who engage in these types of activities are potentially very dangerous, especially if the case escalates into something that involves the authorities trying to round up more dog and cock fighters - which may very well happen. After all, you can't have these fights without a crowd and an arena.

    I don't want to think about you or your loved ones being put into any jeopardy, Brattina.

    Sorry, Chaz, ordinarily I'd agree with you about putting the people involved on the spot and seeing how they stepped up, but it's just not worth the risks involved in a case like this. And, when someone's in love, they do tend to be blind to things they don't want to see. We've all been there!
     
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    Yeah, you have a very very good point.
    Just because that is what I would do doesn't mean it is for anyone else's situation.

    Your way sounds much more effective and less confronting :)

    Chazhound
     
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    You can get a report of the complaint call, including the name, address and phone number, from most animal control agencies if someone has made a complaint against your animal, so in a case like this where anonymity would be desirable, I'd go with reporting to the sheriff's department or other law enforcement. Actually, I'd report it to two different agencies, say the sheriff's department and the police or your state bureau of investigation, so that if someone in law enforcement is protecting these people (it happens more than you'd like to think) you have two separate entities that are looking at it, making it very difficult to continue the cover. DO NOT, under any circumstances, make any calls to report this from your home telephone. Your state bureau of investigation should have a website; I'd check there to see about anonymous tipping. They should be very interested in animal fighting rings.
    I was hoping for some advice like this... As it is not my town/area (I am a bit farther north) I'll look to see if there are any sites before I make a call because it is long distance. I'd feel more comfertable typing anyway.

    I definitely would not confront or talk to any of the family members about this. People who engage in these types of activities are potentially very dangerous, especially if the case escalates into something that involves the authorities trying to round up more dog and cock fighters - which may very well happen. After all, you can't have these fights without a crowd and an arena.
    This is what I was afriad of. I know if I let it slip to my mom, she would let it slip to her brother, then to his girlfriend, and the next thing I know the mafia will be after me. (Sorry, but I tend to joke when I get nervous about things) :(

    I don't want to think about you or your loved ones being put into any jeopardy, Brattina.
    Thanks, that means a lot to me
    And, when someone's in love, they do tend to be blind to things they don't want to see. We've all been there!
    This is so true! Exactly what I'm afraid of! Although my intentions are good they will only see it as me messing up their plans of becoming a family, sad as it is to think.

    Thanks so much for the advice... I'll let you know what comes of it. I know how horrible fights are and I'm already angry with myself that I didn't do something sooner.
     
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    Brattina, here's a link with a list of contacts. I'd try the Investigative unit contact and the Attorney General first. Neither may be the right place, but they should be able to get you to the right office.

    Dealing with the State, I wouldn't worry so much about calling from my home or using the e-mail, but I definitely wouldn't take that chance with any local authorities.

    http://ohio.gov/contacts.stm
     
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    When are people going to learn Pitbulls are not bad....... :mad: :mad:
     
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    Amazing how much sheer stupidity there is out there, isn't it? But at least she was teaching her kid not to just arbitrarily walk up to any strange dog.
     
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    You are sooooo right! I used to take my Bear everywhere with me. He was the perfect gentleman - all 110 pounds of him. I had perfect confidence in him under any circumstance, he was, after all, certified as an animal therapist by the University of Tennessee Knoxville's HABIT board. One of his favorite trips was to Gatlinburg. He just loved the crowds and everyone who stopped to pet him. It was always fun to walk in and out of the shops with him. There was always someone (generally a woman) with a toy breed of some sort, and there was always some snarky remark made about "that big dog." "That Big Dog" was always perfectly mannered and quiet. It was always gratifying when the store owners would tell people that Bear was always welcome in their store; that he was their favorite customer! They only problem I ever had was keeping him from eating too many treats! The people with the outdoor pizza parlor always found him a piece of pizza - his favorite! Not a bad life for a dog rescued from death row, hmmm?
     
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    Very slick... how did the lady react? If I said around here I'd get a laugh, a glare w/them saying I'm stupid, or a total shrug off ~ in one ear and out the other, no one cares type of thing, but I do try. Most of the time I'm trying to defend Cocker Spaniels when I walk my Maddie. :mad:
    Don't you think little dogs get away with murder? If a German Shepherd jumped on strangers to be pet the way my co-wokers poms do there would be a lawsuit, but its just as annoying with the little ones. Personally I think there little nails scratch my legs and hurt worse. :rolleyes:
     
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    It always amazes me the way most big dogs will ignore the small ones when they bite and snarl at their ankles. I don't know why people think it's cute when the little ones behave that way; it's not the sign of a happy, well adjusted dog. When I see a dog acting like that I can't help but feel sorry for such a frustrated, irritated (and, I must confess, irritating), neurotic little creature. Dogs weren't meant to have psychological problems; that's not something inherent to the species, it's something we've thrust upon them by reprehensible breeding practices and ludicrous handling.

    Whew, I'm on a tear tonight, aren't I? Probably from spending too much time poring over warranty deeds from the 1850's! Even my dogs are looking askance at these stacks of papers I'm buried behind.
     
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    Hi everybody. I live in the Toledo, Ohio area, where the local Dog Warden, Tom Skeldon is totally fixated on Pit Bulls, and related breeds. He got his job due to his father and uncle being political big shots in the area, and his brother is warden in Williams county, near the Indiana border.

    The law here is totally unreasonable, but it looks like someone has figured out a way to possibly fight it, and maybe declare it unconstitutional. Let's hope. My last dog was a Pit Mix, and happily, lived his entire life with only a few people guessing at his background, so there were no problems with the dog warden and police.

    He was probably a Pit/Golden Retreiver, and there may have been some other breed in there too. His sister was grey brindle and white, my dog was Reddish gold and white, with, if you looked really closely, brindle and ticking underneath a lot of hair. He lived 14 and a half years, without ever starting a fight, and has been gone 5 years now.

    I have a friend who lives outside our area with a Pit that has slept with his daughter (almost 5 now) pretty much her entire life. She was jumping in and out of the crib without them knowing about it for the first year or so. One night, my friend got up in the middle of the night and couldn't find the dog. He and his wife looked and looked and finally went into the baby's room and there he was, on his back in the crib with the baby, about 11 months old laying up against him. They tried to keep him from going back in there the next night, but both the dog and the baby cried so much, they let him back in. The only "incident" was when the wife's mother showed up at 6am one morning, from the west coast, and ran into the bedroom to see her granddaughter for the first time, and startled both the baby and the dog, who wasn't really pleased about this crazy woman being in the room. Grandma bailed out quick, her idea of a dog was a 7 pound toy poodle, not an 88 pound Pit Bull.

    Some people got all hysterical when they heard about the sleeping arrangements, especially Grandma, saying the dog can't be in bed with the baby, etc, he's a Pit and will go nuts and kill her, blah, blah. They ignored them and the dog has slept with her every night, first in the crib (a real feat to get in and out without making any noise, and getting out as soon as the baby cried without getting caught all that time), and now in a regular bed. Yeah, he's a killer all right. The only person who would need to worry about him would be the idiot who tries to kidnap her! He's totally trustworthy with kids, and other dogs too. Cats? No, that's something he will go after..My dogs do that..skunks, possumms, Raccoons, groundhogs, etc, are all fair game in their backyard.
     
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    Yep, sounds like your friend's got a real killer there, alright! (rofl) It's been my (vicarious) experience that the typical Pit doesn't go overboard even when on guard duty.

    I'll never forget the morning the chase men I worked with at a bonding company came in with a guy they'd been looking for for several months. The younger chase man was walking kind of funny, and didn't really want to sit down.

    It seems they found their man in a small, single wide mobile home parked out in the woods. The older guy went around back to go in that way, and the younger one was supposed to keep the fugitive from running out the front door. The plan to bang on the front door so the fugitive would try to run out the back door to escape into the woods, and the back door guy would grab him.

    That's exactly the way it went down . . . except . . .

    There was a Pit tied in the front, which our guy managed to avoid. What he didn't know was that there was another one laying in wait under the front steps. When he started banging on the door, the Pit under the porch jumped up onto the porch and grabbed him by the cheek - yep, you're right, it wasn't the one on the side of his face!

    Although it was an impressive bite, the dog hadn't tried to savage him or maul him like so many people accuse Pits of doing. The dog was just doing his job, and did it in a very professional, workmanlike manner, turning loose when the owner - in handcuffs - came around the trailer and told him to turn loose.

    We all had a good laugh about it, our guy had a sore butt for a few days, but no stitches were necessary, just a bit of betadine and a nice, soft pillow, and our guys went back to make sure there was someone else living in the trailer taking care of the dogs. Neither one of them wanted anything to happen to the dogs.
     

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