Blue Dog Bakery treats

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  1. goldiefur

    goldiefur New Member

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    I buy them all the time. I remember my one dog that was getting older and not eating as well needed me to make her some food. I was told to put molasses in it for some nutrients.
     
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    Southpaw orange iguanas.

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    I haven't heard of that specific brand, but molasses is fine.
     
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    They were the favorite treats that both Farley & Chloe loved
     
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    Molasses is sugar and not good for cats or dogs

    Of course all manufacturers of treats make them taste good to cats/dogs including the toxic ones that come from China and the ones that contained melamine in 2007 that sickened and killed huge unknown numbers of cats/dogs.

    The only thing that matters in a pet food or treat is the ingredient list, for this example Blue Dog Bakery Peanut Butter & Molasses Flavor and there’s nothing good in it.

    These treats basically contain nothing but carbohydrates in the form of starches and sugars, all of which are harmful to dogs.
    Molasses certainly isn’t OK as an ingredient as it is almost all sugar and a whopping 84% carbohydrates; a dog’s natural diet is 6% carbohydrates.

    Dogs don’t process carbohydrates whatsoever like humans do; dogs get their energy from protein and fats, not from carbohydrates.
    Starches + sugars = carbohydrates = huge swings in blood sugar and insulin, insulin resistance and high blood sugar leading to obesity, diabetes, hypertension, cataracts, allergies and many more serious illness and disease often leading to premature death, similar to those found in humans.

    Here’s what a really bad ingredient list looks like in treats: Unbleached wheat flour, whole wheat flour, blackstrap molasses, palm oil, whey, oats, natural caramel color, nonfat milk, egg powder, salt, baking soda, natural peanut butter flavor, brewers yeast.
    Contains only 9% protein and a whopping 70% carbohydrates.

    Here’s what a really good ingredient list looks like in treats: Angus beef liver, boneless Black Angus beef, Black Angus tripe (Guaranteed Fresh and Preservative-Free).
    Contains 35% protein and only 8% carbohydrates.

    The first ingredient list above is Blue Dog Bakery Peanut Butter & Molasses Flavor and the second is Orijen Black Angus Beef/Single-Source Biologically Appropriate Dog Treats.

    Yes, there’s a huge, huge difference in price but an even bigger difference in nutrition for your dog... one contains almost all harmful ingredients and the other the exact opposite.

    Without a doubt, the cheapest and most nutritious treats for cats/dogs are the ones pet owners make themselves.
    Simply finely chop some chicken and liver, form into small pieces and put in a food dehydrator or at a very low oven temperature to evaporate the moisture.

    Blue Dog Bakery can be bought at Walmart where they sell the worst of the worst pet foods including Ol’ Roy, Pedigree, Purina, Iams, etc.
    There’s reasons why you can buy at Walmart a box of Blue Dog Bakery treats for under $5 and a 40 lb. bag of Ol’ Roy dog food for under $23.... and those reasons are very bad for cats/dogs.

    Dr. Karen Becker, DVM wrote a couple of excellent articles on the good and bad ingredients in treats, including molasses: Stick With Safe and Nutritious Pet Treats and China Responds to U.S. Concerns About Tainted Pet Treats

    We all want what’s good for our pets; the most important thing is to read the ingredient list on anything you feed your cat/dog and familiarize yourself with both the good and harmful ingredients.
    Roger Biduk
     
  6. Dizzy

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    Just exactly what IS a dogs natural diet?

    For one, there isn't ANYTHING natural about a domesticated dog. They're a man made phenomena. They were built, designed, dreamt up by our ancestors for their uses, and I doubt.... I seriously DOUBT that they would have been fed on the prime and scarce meat cuts, cast off etc that you seem to think they were.

    They were NOT catching their own prey. They were tools, expendable no doubt at times, and I very, very much doubt... our ancestors gave a hoot if the dogs were eating meals consisting of any old thing.

    Feral dogs will scavenge and eat anything. Vegetable matter, meat, sometimes mineral for that matter. It's how dogs have done SO well being our companions.

    You talk like dogs have evolved to only eat meat la la la. It simply can't be true, it can't be how they have existed for so many years. I am not talking IDEAL diet. But the diet they've had for hundreds, if not thousands, of years probably wasn't barf or perfectly raw at ALL.

    I know what you're saying, but bejesus..... You do know pandas are omnivorous right??? You see what I'm saying with that right??? They don't just eat bamboo!!! You understand what I am saying here, don't you??? Physiology doesn't always dictate behaviour. Absolute and utter FACT.

    So to say a "dogs natural diet", is actually pretty laughable on a zoological level... What IS a dogs natural diet I ask you???? Where are these natural dogs???


    Signed dizzy, BSc (hons) applied zoology and BA social work
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  7. Moth

    Moth Mild and Slightly Nutty

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    You are correct in a lot of what you say Dizzy :)

    Actually though one of the prevalent theories about how dogs became domesticated is that the wolves did it sort of themselves in a way.

    The relationship and proximity to humans was adventageous for them and as it turns out for us. So both sides let it continue and benefited from it. It may have begun with something as simple as wolves scavenging from human midden heaps and cooperative hunting...

    From there they developed in to landraces...breeds are a relatively new thing. So they are not entirely a man made phenomenon.

    Most canids are skilled scavengers and can tolerate a wide range of food.

    Now cats are obligate carnivores and must have meat...dogs are way more flexible :)

    Moth...also a biologist and a anthropologist :D
     
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    I think my point is, that there is no natural dog diet as I'm not sure there is a natural modern domestic dog!

    We can talk about historic dogs, wild dogs, wolves, but a modern domestic dog is no more natural than my ipad, neither is their diet.

    They haven't been naturally fed for centuries.

    Anyway, I did start a new thread to discuss it, as I'm interested to learn and discuss!!!

    (Eta, my zoology degree was when I was 18, I can't remember bugger all from it lol. It sounds good though eh ;) I spent far, far too much time expanding my mind and not my brain.... Oops).
     
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    I use them when I don't feel like making my own, as well as pupperoni, beggin strips, etc. Obi is the least food motivated dog ever (unless you put it in the garbage and leave the house) so I use what works. It's called a "treat" for a reason. The DQ Blizzard I ate yesterday isn't part of my natural diet either, but I feel like I earned it. ;)
     
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    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    I even let Summer eat a milkbone every now and then! She loves them. ;)

    It's a treat... You shouldn't be feedin them tons of crap treats but now and again?
     
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    My thoughts exactly. Its a treat. No my dog doesn't need a diet of molasses but do I care if she has it in her treats now and then? Absolutely not. I don't want health food all the time (or any of the time) and I think it's okay for my dogs to have "sweets" now and then too. Pretty sure they're still happy and healthy even with the occasional junk.
     
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    Dogs Are Carnivore and Domesticated Wolves...

    Being a court-recognized expert on canine/feline nutrition in six civil cases (so far), this is a subject I do know a thing or two about.

    Regarding your comment â€there isn't ANYTHING natural about a domesticated dogâ€; actually, almost nothing has changed very much in the last 40 million years or so and there’s EVERYTHING natural about a domesticated dog now as there was then, both inside and out.
    The webpage I wrote " Your Dog Is a Carnivore And a Domesticated Wolf " covers most points regarding this.

    Regarding pandas, you’re confusing the taxonomic/phylogenetic term “carnivora†which defines a group of mammals all descended from a common ancestor with the general term carnivore (meat eater).
    The common ancestor of carnivora was undoubtedly carnivorous but there are now several that aren’t strictly carnivores such as pandas, kinkajou, olingos, coatis, raccoons, etc.

    The surviving pandas are the descendants of those that turned to bamboo in desperation. They are carnivores because they have the carnivore sharp teeth, gut bacteria and shortened gut - entirely wrong for a herbivorous lifestyle. They have to eat bamboo almost every waking hour to get enough food to survive and they die once their inadequate teeth are worn out.
    Panda's will eat meat if they come across it. At some time in the recent past they were predators but their prey animals - whatever they were - must have disappeared or become too difficult for the panda to catch.

    All lineages are free to evolve on their own and many have drifted away from “carnivory†but the domesticated dog is not one of them... the only reason people say they have is because of bad veterinarians who either are ignorant, know nothing about cat/dog nutrition, are unethical or all three along with companies making very low-quality commercial pet foods containing ingredients that may be dangerous at best and toxic at worst (saying grains, corn, soy, wheat, etc. are more "natural" for a dog than meat) along with those wonderful folks at “Big Pharmaâ€.

    85%-100% of a dog’s diet should be from a balanced, raw meat diet for optimum health but with almost all pet owners, that’s certainly not the case (less than 3% feed raw)... which is why up to 90% of all illness and disease in cats/dogs are now diet related.

    A dog's natural diet is pretty close to 49% protein, 45% fat and only 6% carbohydrates; I wrote about this in another thread, saying “just go to show how bad most commercial pet foods really are with most being low in protein and super-high in carbs, with some "Prescription Diets" recommended and sold by most veterinarians containing up to 60% carbohydrates, 900% more than needed!... this is the main reasons for so many degenerative illness and disease caused by diet in cats/dogsâ€.

    Other good articles include:

    The Canine Ancestral Diet

    The Ancestral Diet For Dogs

    Further Thoughts on Pet Foods by Natasha Kassell, VMD
    Roger Biduk
     
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    Okay well obviously we disagree on.several fronts.

    I do not believe dogs are simply domesticated wolves. I've done my own research and honestly several scientists are of the same opinion. Regurgitating the same information does nothing. We realize you think you know everything. Some people agree with you. Many of us here do not. We can supply studies and books which say the opposite of what you say. It does not make us 'right', it just shows the variety of opinions that revolve around dogs.

    Its great that you're so passionate but you don't need to be an ass.
     
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    Inside a pugs skull is the same as a wolfs? Interesting.
     
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    That's the thing about these forums, ignorant people like you... ass indeed.... yawn... and I only work with facts... go tell the Smithsonian they're wrong and present them with your "facts" and scientists... their phone number is 202-633-1100; let me know how it goes...
     
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    Roger, where did you go to school? What is your title? What legal cases have you been involved with? You offered up this information as some form of backing to your claim and yet you haven't sited the details.

    Why do you feel it is many dogs live so long and happily on mediocre diets? Why do so many experience issues at a young age? Can a good diet counteract bad genes?

    Why do you post on this forum only about food? Do you have dogs? Do you fancy them as pets? Do you have experience in sporting? Are they merely an experiment in nutrition?
     
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    No, this doesn't work.

    You came onto this forum from the get go and didn't become part of the community, you didn't share stories about your dogs or comment people's pictures or lives, you made no attempt to integrate yourself onto here.

    All you did was come on here, soap box in place, ego firmly attached and talked down to everyone on here. You tried to flood us with your intelligence (Read: condescension), stated everything as hard proven fact and vary rarely even answered the question posed.

    You are passionate about nutrition? Good. We like passion here. What we don't like are egotistical jerks that speak down to the general populace on this board, don't try to engage in any civil discussion and treat the majority on here like ignorant drones that need saving from ourselves.

    Post about your dog(s), join conversation, actually DISCUSS dog food and nutrition and you'll find people will be a lot more open to having a dialogue with you about things instead of the overall response you're getting now which is "Oh, that Roger person is posting. Roll eyes, skim and dismiss."
     
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    Oh, classy. No wonder he behaves like Fred Hassen(founder and used car salesman of sit means sit franchises) on training forums.
     
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    Correction, he is the president of a pet food company looking for investors...by the way he talks down to people I have a feeling he will be looking for investors for a very long long time...asshat.
     

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