Best in show
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Nope- there's breed statistics and all-breed statistics. (Welcome to the wonderful and vaguely confusing world of specialing!!)
To gain a championship you need those 15 points to come from competing agains other dogs in YOUR OWN breed.
In Group and BIS rankings they count EVERY dog you beat, regardless of the breed.
Theoretically your un-pointed puppy could walk into the ring the day it turned 6 months old, win it's class, win the breed, win the group, and then win BIS. The puppy wouldn't be a champion, but he'd have a VERY impressive brag.
In the same stroke, you could be the ONLY entry in your breed (automatically making you BOB), and then win the group, and then win BIS. Your dog wouldn't even have POINTS toward it's championship, but he WOULD have points that went to ranking him on a national level.
For all intents and purposes, they're entirely different point systems. With the one we're focusing on being skewed towards people who consider championship points "the small stuff," and are consistently taking BOBs and group placements.
To gain a championship you need those 15 points to come from competing agains other dogs in YOUR OWN breed.
In Group and BIS rankings they count EVERY dog you beat, regardless of the breed.
Theoretically your un-pointed puppy could walk into the ring the day it turned 6 months old, win it's class, win the breed, win the group, and then win BIS. The puppy wouldn't be a champion, but he'd have a VERY impressive brag.
In the same stroke, you could be the ONLY entry in your breed (automatically making you BOB), and then win the group, and then win BIS. Your dog wouldn't even have POINTS toward it's championship, but he WOULD have points that went to ranking him on a national level.
For all intents and purposes, they're entirely different point systems. With the one we're focusing on being skewed towards people who consider championship points "the small stuff," and are consistently taking BOBs and group placements.
Sheesh, and people dont understand why I prefer trialing to conformation.
All that gave me a headache. I would prefer to perform against a standard knowing I got my points towards HRCH - and KNOW my dog was tailgate brag worthy.
Whats sad is even though the Lab is Americas most popular dog - our breed hasnt won a major show in recent times.
All that gave me a headache. I would prefer to perform against a standard knowing I got my points towards HRCH - and KNOW my dog was tailgate brag worthy.
Whats sad is even though the Lab is Americas most popular dog - our breed hasnt won a major show in recent times.
LOL. I know, right?
I had a hell of a time trying to explain that rationally, and I'm sure I made it even more confusing than it really is. I guess it's one of those things that makes more sense when/and because you're actually doing it, you know?
The whole point of it boils down to making sure that your dog is a great represenation of it's BREED before it becomes a champion. If winning a BIS made a dog a champion- your dog could theoretically never even compete against another member of it's breed, and still be deemed worthy of a championship. The dog could become a champion purely on the basis of being the only Shiba (for example) in Podunk, USA. Sure, maybe it's a fabulous SHOW dog, but this wouldn't necessarily mean it's a fabulous SHIBA. (In fact, in my breed, this is OFTEN true). "Show-offy," "look at me" types are really antithetical to the traditional temperament of the breed...but they make for great show dogs, and group judges have a habit of putting up showmen first, ultra-correct breed examples second.
When it comes to a championship you want BREED EXPERTS deeming a dog to be championship quality. And these are usually the breeder judges, NOT the group judges. Hence the need for a split system.
And also why you don't see a whole lot of Shibas winning BIS.
Hopefully this made a tiny bit more sense? I just finished a week of exams and I'm not sure all cylinders are firing, hehehe. My apologies if that was absolute nonsense!
I had a hell of a time trying to explain that rationally, and I'm sure I made it even more confusing than it really is. I guess it's one of those things that makes more sense when/and because you're actually doing it, you know?
The whole point of it boils down to making sure that your dog is a great represenation of it's BREED before it becomes a champion. If winning a BIS made a dog a champion- your dog could theoretically never even compete against another member of it's breed, and still be deemed worthy of a championship. The dog could become a champion purely on the basis of being the only Shiba (for example) in Podunk, USA. Sure, maybe it's a fabulous SHOW dog, but this wouldn't necessarily mean it's a fabulous SHIBA. (In fact, in my breed, this is OFTEN true). "Show-offy," "look at me" types are really antithetical to the traditional temperament of the breed...but they make for great show dogs, and group judges have a habit of putting up showmen first, ultra-correct breed examples second.
When it comes to a championship you want BREED EXPERTS deeming a dog to be championship quality. And these are usually the breeder judges, NOT the group judges. Hence the need for a split system.
And also why you don't see a whole lot of Shibas winning BIS.
Hopefully this made a tiny bit more sense? I just finished a week of exams and I'm not sure all cylinders are firing, hehehe. My apologies if that was absolute nonsense!
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