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  1. MaxMason

    MaxMason My Ginger Bread Cookie

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    /rant on You know I've seen alot of discussion on these forums about good dog food and bad. I'm sure this has been debated before, but this is the first time I've ever really discussed this issue. We have brands like Purina, Alpo, Science Diet, Pedigree and so on who are very large companies.

    For years before finding out it was junk I feed my dogs Purina, only to find out later on it was junk. Now Purina and Science Diet are 2 dog foods my former vet recommended and supported. Then come to find out they are both junk, now to me that is false advertising by these big companies when it says on the bag that its healthy and good for there heart and so on. So I switched to Science Diet to come and find out it was crap, yet more false advertising. If they are putting this much bad products out, it sounds like to me these big time politicians needs to step there overpaid butts in and do something about this.

    But of course in there minds this prolly isn't important, I mean they prolly just say they are just animals. Us humans have tons of food that are bad for us as well, and same thing with dogs. Why in the hell does this continue to go on? Why are our loved ones being feed food that has harmful chemicals and trash in it? We should be able to depend on these big companies like Purina, Science Diet and so on. Instead the public is being fooled by these so called experts, and I think something needs to be done about this quick. But the question is when...... /rant off
     
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    Science Diet is crappy? My vet recommended that as well! We've gone through so many different foods with Chili, and I wouldn't eat them if I were a dog.
     
  3. MaxMason

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    Well that's what I hear, however I don't believe everything I hear. My current vet recommends me to feed her Innova, but he also supports Science Diet which is what I've been feeding Ginger here as of late. But doing some reading has made me switch to Innova here soon and Innova is overpriced as well in my opinion. But I want what's best for her, if Science Diet is crappy my question is why do vets recommend it? Guess I will ask him when she gets spayed Thursday and find out more in depth. Course then again on the Purina labels it say veterinarian approved also. And we pretty much have all come to the conclusion that isn't good food. So I say again if this food is junk then its false advertising and something needs to be done about it :(
     
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    Really my whole point of this post is I'm disgusted that over the years I trusted brands like Purina and Science Diet which I fed Max his whole life, mainly Science Diet is what he ate, but purina in the first few years of his life. Now he's gone and I'm not saying the food killed him cause he had a bad heart as it was and he was born with that I assume. In a way I blame myself for not doing the proper research, but my former vet always said Purina was fine, so you usually tend to believe your vet. But more than anything I'm pissed at these big companies for false advertising there products and telling us they are healthy when they aren't.

    When I go to the store to buy treats and or food I should be able to trust that this is healthy when it says its healthy on the bag. But in todays world you can't do that anymore, and it really sucks. Back when I was a kid I had a chow dog named Brownie and he was a wonderful dog and lived 15 yrs eating Field Trial Chucks, but back in those days no one really knew what was good and bad. But today we have these people telling us lies now and I don't like it one single bit. Ok now /rant off yet again
     
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    One of the differences back when, Max, was the way our food was produced. It was more expensive to augment with hormones, chemicals and antibiotics, so it wasn't done on a regular basis. We have become so adept at chemically manipulating our food supply that we're killing ourselves and our pets since the typical pet food manufacturer uses scrap, unfit for human consumption offal and leftover trash.

    Science DIEt is pushed by vets primarily for the same reason your MD wants to put you on the newest drugs - because the salesman tells him it's the latest and greatest. The typical vet does no research on the stuff, in all fairness time is very dear to a vet, but they shouldn't be promoting something they know nothing about. Of course, there are some who don't really want to keep pets TOO healthy - it costs them business. Those vets aren't the norm, though, most are just - to put it bluntly - ignorant of what they are doing.

    Truthfully, I'm amazed that foods like the Innova don't cost more than they do. The ingredients are very expensive and the methods of production they use are very significantly more expensive than other manufacturers - even more so than a lot of foods produced for human consumption I'd bet! Like hotdogs . . . ;)
     
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    By the way, Max, you might want to price compare the Innova if there's another outlet for it in your area. Vets' offices often sell feeds at a higher price, simply because they buy in smaller volume and don't get the same discount.
     
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    Well Renee you seem to know alot about these things, so I ask you this why are these big companies like Purina, Science Diet, Pedigree, etc. alowed to get away with false advertising of there products if they are dangerous to them? I think in my mind its because the general public don't give a **** and we know politicians don't.
     
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    Yes I'm looking around at the prices, only found so far one place that sells this Innova and its about 100 miles from me :(
     
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    Okay, so you really want me to get up on this soapbox? Are you sure??

    Too late!

    We now live in a society that by and large will only pay attention in small bytes of information at a time. We want it quick and easy. We're consumers of unprecedented volume, and we have allowed ourselves to be lulled into an apathetic lethargy when it comes to swallowing whatever the TV screen, bag blurb, celebrity spokesperson, benign or authoritarian looking actor, authority figure, ad nauseum gets compensated to regurgitate to us. In short, we very predictably believe what we're told because it's easy and we've become far too trusting and accustomed.

    We just don't question.

    We make it far too easy.

    No, governmental agencies don't give a flip about what our dogs eat. Proctor and Gamble, Purina and their ilk contribute millions to political parties - and they're smart enough to contribute fairly equally to both sides of the room.

    The best way to combat this kind of practice is with your money. Don't buy their products. Write and let them know why you won't be buying their products. Worse yet, tell your local retailer why you aren't spending your dog food money in his store. That's where the pain is felt first, then it gets passed on up the line.

    There - be proud of me now, lol - that wasn't too bad, was it?
     
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    Now there we go good job Renee, that's what I'm looking for and you are 100% correct. Most of us like myself have believed these idiots at one time or another and bought there sewage. But I am going to ask my vet why he recommends Science Diet and see what he says, then I will go over the ingredients with him compared to Innova and see what his answer for that is. He's a excellent vet, but like you said maybe they fall for these lies and don't do there research as well. In which case they should since we pay them to doctor and tell us what's best for our pets. But least now I will start spending my money wisely even if I have to drive a 100 miles to get the food for daddy's little girl :)
     
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    you don't have to believe everything you hear, but simply looking at the ingredients in science diet will show you that it is poor quality crap. for more details, please read here, the shortcomings are pointed out in great detail.

    most of the nutrition related education at vet schools is sponsored by hill's, so that's what vets know and feel "safe" recommending, because it has been pushed on them continually. the more you learn about ingredients, the better you will understand science diet's shortcomings. also, many vets sell science diet at their offices and make a profit of up to 40% of the price tag. money makes the world go round.

     
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    Great post Mordy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Just what Barb said! Good job of breaking down the economics - and that doesn't even take into account the vet bills when pets start getting elderly and all those toxins and poor nutrition start showing up in food related conditions!
     
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    Well I'm feeding her Innova now nuff said.....
     
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    Yea! Max! By the way, when's the last time you posted any photos of Ginger? She must be getting prettier all the time.
     
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    Oh and good job breaking it down Mordy. I in my opinion will always blame myself for feeding Max crap food, and never having a clue what I was feeding him was trash. I will always blame myself for that, and he's not here prolly because he wasn't eating the healthy food. He had a bad heart and prolly should've been eating the best. I WILL not make that same mistake with Ginger, but poor Max now I know I was killing him and that just sucks. And yes Renee more pics to come soon :)
     
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    you made a good decision there, max. and don't beat yourself up about what happened in the past, we all live and learn and can do better the next time around.

    i used to feed my own cats whiskas and science diet and my older dog (who lives with my parents now) only got around the pedigree because she refused to eat it. she got a store brand instead, which was probably no better or worse, but i feel badly about that too now that i know better. she's now 13 years old and my mom only recently switched her to a home prepared diet with lots of raw meaty bones. :)
     
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    Not your fault Max; blame Purina, Eukanuba, Science Diet, et al for putting the poison out there and so grossly misrepresenting it.
     
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    Actually posting any pics could present a problem for me atm, because Ginger decided I didn't need that camera anymore. Refer to my story in the dog story section and that will explain it, guess I'll have to buy another one lol.
     
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    Uh-oh! How'd I miss that one. I'll go look . . . I have a bad feeling about this, lol! :eek:
     

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