Balls/toys in dog parks..

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Carrie, EXCELLENT POST!!!!!

Contrary to popular opinion, dogs are not pack animals, don't enjoy joining up with every dog they don't know in an interactive fashion....
Every is the key word in this sentence. While some dogs are very social it is unrealistic to expect a dog to like EVERY dog that they meet. This is the problem that I have with dog parks. All too often canine behavior is misunderstood and uneducated owners are unaware of simple cues that can accelerate a disturbance. Toys and balls can be triggers to promote unwanted behaviors in a dog park.

If we did want to humanize the behavior would we thnk it would be realistic to throw candy in a school yard of children to only your own children? You can be sure that other children are going to want to get in on the reward.

Dogs aren't children. For some dogs a toy or a ball can be a marker or reward. One can not expect that a dog will use human cognitive thought to decide that the ball is being thrown for one dog and one dog only. Instead the dog will see a ball being thrown and engage in the chase. Normal canine behavior. Of course each owner of the dogs in the park are responsible to ensure that their own dogs are under control at all times, however typically in a park setting the dogs are allowed to engage in meet and greets, social interaction, games of chase, etc. Dogs do not go through the thought process that it is ok to play with the other dogs, but do not engage in social interaction with another dog who has such a high reward marker such as a toy. Also it is unrealistic to expect that all dogs will be as well behaved as our own dogs (if our own dogs themselves are well behaved dogs).

As you summed it up perfectly, Carrie- dogs will be dogs will be dogs.

One of my own dogs loves nothing more in the world than a good game of chuck it. We find empty sports feilds, and in the summer time when they are in use we have found that an early morning trip around 7 am will solve that problem.
 

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Carrie, EXCELLENT POST!!!!!



Every is the key word in this sentence. While some dogs are very social it is unrealistic to expect a dog to like EVERY dog that they meet.
I understand this, but he really does try to interact with *every* dog he meets (if it is in a situation where he knows he is allowed). If the dog is rude to him or clearly is not interested, he will go find something else to do, but he sure does try to at least hang out with the dog. Therefore, for me, the entire reason that I take him is to fulfill that need for social contact.

What I took issue with is the blanket statement......there are some dogs that very social and see every dog as a potential buddy.
 
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I understand this, but he really does try to interact with *every* dog he meets (if it is in a situation where he knows he is allowed). If the dog is rude to him or clearly is not interested, he will go find something else to do, but he sure does try to at least hang out with the dog. Therefore, for me, the entire reason that I take him is to fulfill that need for social contact.

What I took issue with is the blanket statement......there are some dogs that very social and see every dog as a potential buddy.
Maybe not common, but it is true that there are dogs like that ^^^^.

I had one too, and she behaved the same way. She was a Golden Retriever and Sally's dog is a Labrador Retriever. Cheyenne (my Golden) behaved similar to what Sally describes. She would want to interact with any other dog (also cats, bunnies, etc.) but would take her cues from the other animal. Cheyenne would approach in a friendly manner, as long as one of us told her it was OK first. But if the other dog didn't seem to want interaction then Cheyenne would then ignore that dog and just go find something else to do. We never had to call her away from another animal, she just already knew when it was best to walk away.

I have also seen similar behavior in other dogs of those same two breeds. My neighbor's female black Lab is exactly the same way.
 

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I am going to have to disagree with this. My lab does most certainly enjoy interacting and hanging out with pretty much any dog he comes across. We have a second dog but interaction with her does not fulfill his doggy social needs.

Maybe it's a breed thing, but he is very, very social.

I have no disagreement with your experience at all. Perhaps I worded that poorly. Dogs are a social type animal, but they're not very sophisticated at all in their organizatin skills in the way of sharing or distributing resources. Scavanging animals don't do much of that. They do give off signs of communication and some are very good at it, good at respecting it and some suck at it. LOL.

Lots of dogs are indeed very social with other dogs. My son's dog, Tokie is so not dog aggressive and loves to play with any dog that comes along. But, if a ball is thrown and they both go after it, she may well flash her shiny white teeth, growl and make a move toward the other dog to say, "get away from that ball. It's mine." No big fight, but she is strong in her acquisition techniques. :D

Lots of well socialized dogs are not only very friendly and love to meet other dogs, but they also may not care about a ball or toy and not make a big deal out of getting it.

But there are many, many dogs who are not particularly interested in playing with other dogs, sometimes influenced by breed and/or their history with socialization and perhaps some bad experiences with other dogs.... and a certain percentage of those would be very put off by having to compete with another dog for a toy. I've lived with dogs and been around loads of other dogs for 50 years :yikes: and I've 'done seen it with ma own two eyes. ;)

It's a crap shoot in a dog park if you aren't familiar with all those other dogs. How could you know? Your dog may be very friendly and eager to play with another dog. But not all of the other dogs are apt to be as into it. Your dog may run up to another dog (I don't know how savvy your dog is about "polite" greeting behavior) but the other dog may be "offended" and lash out. It's hard for us humans sometimes to catch some of those subtle pre-amples of behavior and body language...expressions which may lead to a disagreement if they come on fast. So, it's always something to really be careful of when a lot of unknown dogs get together as it is...even without highly valued toys and such present. This is why I think it can be an extra and unnecessary risk to throw limited resouces, such as balls or frisbees into the mix.


(Thank you Saintgirl)
 

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I think the "every dog COULD be my new best friend" may be a Lab/Golden thing, LOL. Allie thinks the exact same way, but if someone tells her to back off, she ignores them and goes back to the group.

I agree with Doberluv has said. Throwing a "limited resource" into an area where there are unknown variables (dogs) can cause issues.
 

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My chocolate Lab was okay with other dogs, but did have a little snarkiness toward them. She was somewhat territorial of our property and of me. LOL. She made a lot of noise as she'd scramble and mouth the other dog, but never really bit into the other dog. So, there was one Lab, who although fairly well socialized with other dogs in the neighborhood didn't take kindly to strange dogs. She was snobbish about with whom she'd socialize. LOL.
 

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