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Well, I had to feed a neighbor's pet pit bull/mix monstrosity and he tried to do this with me only in a more extreme way. This dog was hyper aggressive though seriously. He was one of those "saved from the shelter" dogs who was fine as a pup but had mental issues. Anyway, as soon as i put the food in the bowl the dog made a warning growl and lunged at my hand. In a loud voice I said "NO, NO" then grabbed him by the back of the neck and held him down until he quit growling. No hitting him or hurting him just establishing that "Im your care giver so respect me a little". Couple days of this he gave up with attacking me and would sit there and growl. I'm not saying it's how everyone should do it but that is what worked for me.

I don't know what to say..other than I hope that no one would see this as an appropriate way to handle a dog who resource guards. Grabbing and yelling will do nothing but increase his reasons for guarding. You're very lucky that you didn't end up seriously injured..
The fact that he continued to growl just proves that it didn't actually work at all.
 

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Excellent advice (as usual) from Dr2little. She's absolutely right....NO aggression or attacks by people on dogs for any training....for any reason. Always a mistake.
 
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More along the lines of Dr2little's advice...

Full article here.

More good stuff here.

Sit for Your Supper

Measure out the dog's dinner and put it in a bowl on the counter. Instruct her to sit for her supper, put her regular food bowl on the floor and give the okay to eat. Make sure you have a video camera handy to record the expression on the dog's face: utter astonishment! You see, the dog's food is in the bowl on the counter; the bowl on the floor is empty. Perhaps ask your dog, "Everything to your liking, Ma'am?" She will certainly be beside herself in a now uncertain anticipation of dinner, imploring, "Yo! Owner, get over here with my food!"

Yes, that' right...get over to my food bowl. So now the dog wants you to approach her food bowl. Although there's nothing in the bowl for her to protect, it's a good start at least. But because there is nothing to protect, she has no reason to get upset, and so we are "forcing" her to succeed. Now, walk up to the dog, have her sit, and toss a single kibble into the bowl, tell her to eat and then walk away. Ssshlurrpp! Gone. Just like that. "Is that all?" she asks. "Get back over here with more!"

Well this must be a record. Twice in one evening, the possessive dog has begged us to approach her food bowl. Keep feeding similar small installments, a multiple course dinner tonight with lots and lots of itsy-bitsy starters. In no time, she will eagerly anticipate your approach and company because it signals yet another yummy course.
 

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What might help to stop the problem is to feed before he gets very hungry. If he isn't as hungry he is less likely to be aggressive. Some dogs will be aggressive because they had to be that way to get their share of the food. If he learns there will be food available he may not be as aggressive.
 

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I didn't hurt the dog. Also, I didn't YELL (<---emphasis) at the dog I just said "No, no" a little louder then regular conversation speak. I got him out of attack mode and in a submissive position so he learned not to bite me while feeding him. After that point, if he had been my dog, I would have worked him in the gentler manner you all were talking about earlier. I just know before that if I carried the food bowl too him he would have attacked at my ankles (as in lunge and sink his teeth in). I know this because he did this once so I got the idea to just pour it in for him then he attacks my hand. This dog didn't resource guard..he resource attacked and if I hadn't been wearing gloves that day (as it was cold) he might have even drawn blood. When he saw food in his dog food bowl he wanted it right then and there and he wanted you to run away. Meaning if it hadn't been me feeding the dog and it was someone else....the family possibly would have ended up being sued. This is specifically why Thad chose me. He was the only one in the family able to feed the dog. Anything it made him a little better for me to care for. After I fed him for that week the dog never showed aggression to me (except for his low growls when feeding which was fine with me since he didn't attack me which was my only goal that week as he wasn't my dog) and was even able to play with him afterward and walk around with him. Rambo loved the frisbee.

Mr. Thad had told me the owners before him had kept him and his litter mates locked up in a dark, danky room covered in waste where they were kept malnurished and without any sort of care (shots, defleaing, worming). They were rarely fed. So of course some animal control people got him. As a pup he was manageable then developed a plethora of problems (circled nonstop, tearing up everything he got around, uncontrollable licking) . But his first problem was like the one the OP was talking about. Maybe he was going through what pancho said.

I should also mention he bit the girls face open the day before I punched him in the head for trying to neck bite my akita (which I said it was a dumb thing to do). I also do not like animals being hit or beaten or tortured but that particular day I was too concerned for my dog's safety. I mean if a dog was trying to neck bite your child you wouldn't jump in to save him?? After that he was taken by animal control and put to sleep as the neighbors had been complaining he was too dangerous.
 

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Let me add a little more info, this is what we do before we feed him every meal.

Put the food in the bowl
Have him look at the food in the bowl first, then put the bowl about 3 feet away from him.
Make sure he sits there for 5 second before we give him the command "go"

He does everything right everyday, the only time he gowls or scratch (This is what I meant by attack, he doesn't bite, maybe attack isn't the right word) is when we touch his bowl while he is eating.

We'll definitely follow Dr's advise and see how it goes.
 

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Well, I had to feed a neighbor's pet pit bull/mix monstrosity and he tried to do this with me only in a more extreme way. This dog was hyper aggressive though seriously. He was one of those "saved from the shelter" dogs who was fine as a pup but had mental issues. Anyway, as soon as i put the food in the bowl the dog made a warning growl and lunged at my hand. In a loud voice I said "NO, NO" then grabbed him by the back of the neck and held him down until he quit growling. No hitting him or hurting him just establishing that "Im your care giver so respect me a little". Couple days of this he gave up with attacking me and would sit there and growl. I'm not saying it's how everyone should do it but that is what worked for me.
Wrong.

Muggsies16 said:
Like Bubatd said give it too him and take it away! But be ready to disapline too!
Wrong.

I didn't hurt the dog. Also, I didn't YELL (<---emphasis) at the dog I just said "No, no" a little louder then regular conversation speak. I got him out of attack mode and in a submissive position so he learned not to bite me while feeding him.
Did you learn that from Cesar Milan?

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OP, please follow Dr2Little or DoglessinSeatle's advice. Any sort of force or disciplining on your part could make the problem worse or even get you hurt.
 

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anyway, this all occured in 1995 (he was put to sleep in 97') which I believe was in the days before ceasar milan. I'm not really sure when he became popular since I don't watch cable but several of my dog friends talk about him. also his techniques have been in use for years by other people I've known. it is spelled discipline......btw.
 
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anyway, this all occured in 1995 (he was put to sleep in 97') which I believe was in the days before ceasar milan. I'm not really sure when he became popular since I don't watch cable but several of my dog friends talk about him. also his techniques have been in use for years by other people I've known. it is spelled discipline......btw.
Please..:rolleyes: let's not go down the "Cesar" road yet again. It's been proven time and time again to be a dead end. His methods are based in opinion (rather old and stale), not in canine behavior science.:mad:

Any other appropriate suggestions to the OP are of course welcome.:)
 

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Well it's not really hard to see who the professional is in this discussion. I'd entrust my dog to dr2little any day of the week.
 

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I'm going to resist getting into a debate. Everyone has their opinions of what to do in certain situations and what not to do.

If the dog just scratches or shows general dislike of you taking his food and he isn't exactly "attacking" then I believe your efforts so far will work out just fine. Just be consistent and give him love.
 

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I agree wholeheartedly. Dr2Little has earned my respect with all her knowledge and I trust what she says. I would also feel comfortable to have my dogs with her (and that's not always easy to earn ;)).
 

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I dont know if this is consider an "attack"

While my dog was eating, I happen to walk by him and he just sorta attack me.
Then I realize everytime he is eating he is in this attack mode. Whoever walk by or touch him will get attacked.

Once I was giving him a treat and I dropped it by accident. When I was going to pick it up, he attacked my hand and took the treat.

I talked to someone and they told me it is normal for dog to be in high alert while he is eating. Is this something I need to be worry about?
I found this for you and did a copy paste:Food stealing and food bowl aggression
All dogs would rather eat human's food. Therefore, when food is left lying around, the temptation is too great for them not to sample. A dog that grabs and runs does so because of fear of punishment. Do not leave food lying around. Teach your dog to sit out of the way while you are preparing food. Do not give in to his pleading eyes and reward him with a tidbit or he will become a constant beggar.

Teach your puppy not to be aggressive around his food bowl. Make him sit while you put the bowl on the floor, then give the command to eat by saying, "OKAY."

Next, as he begins to eat, place a food treat, something he likes even better than his dog food, on your hand and put you hand alongside the food bowl, letting him take the treat. Say, "Good Dog!" Then, let him eat. Do this for several feedings.

Then, place a food treat on your hand and put your hand on top of the food in the bowl. Let him take the treat. Say, "Good Dog!" Then, let him eat. Do this for several feedings.

The last step is to place your hand with the food treat on it, on top of the food, and while your puppy is taking the treat, remove the food bowl for a few seconds. Say, "Good Dog!" Put the bowl back on the floor and let him finish the meal. This teachers him that you control when he will begin to eat and whether or not he will eat. A dog that is taught this can be trusted around children who might be playing with him or with food while he is eating.

This training should be repeated by every member of the family. King County Animal Services .. PM me if you want my oppinion, i may be able to help you http://www.metrokc.gov/animals/dogtips/dog25.aspx
 

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Sonny, thanks for the info.

We'll start working on it and give everyone an update a week or two weeks later.
 
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I agree wholeheartedly. Dr2Little has earned my respect with all her knowledge and I trust what she says. I would also feel comfortable to have my dogs with her (and that's not always easy to earn ;)).
Heck, I wouldn't hesitate to turn Doc loose with the Riot Grrrrls! Now as to whether or not she'd appreciate that . . . well, that's another question ;)

Try that scruffing crap with the wrong dog . . . Can you guys picture Bimmer or Kharma or Shiva putting up with that sort of insulting, debasing treatment? :eek:
 
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I found this for you and did a copy paste:Food stealing and food bowl aggression
All dogs would rather eat human's food. Therefore, when food is left lying around, the temptation is too great for them not to sample. A dog that grabs and runs does so because of fear of punishment. Do not leave food lying around. Teach your dog to sit out of the way while you are preparing food. Do not give in to his pleading eyes and reward him with a tidbit or he will become a constant beggar.

Teach your puppy not to be aggressive around his food bowl. Make him sit while you put the bowl on the floor, then give the command to eat by saying, "OKAY."

Next, as he begins to eat, place a food treat, something he likes even better than his dog food, on your hand and put you hand alongside the food bowl, letting him take the treat. Say, "Good Dog!" Then, let him eat. Do this for several feedings.

Then, place a food treat on your hand and put your hand on top of the food in the bowl. Let him take the treat. Say, "Good Dog!" Then, let him eat. Do this for several feedings.

The last step is to place your hand with the food treat on it, on top of the food, and while your puppy is taking the treat, remove the food bowl for a few seconds. Say, "Good Dog!" Put the bowl back on the floor and let him finish the meal. This teachers him that you control when he will begin to eat and whether or not he will eat. A dog that is taught this can be trusted around children who might be playing with him or with food while he is eating.

This training should be repeated by every member of the family. King County Animal Services .. PM me if you want my oppinion, i may be able to help you http://www.metrokc.gov/animals/dogtips/dog25.aspx
While this is good advise, it appears that Puli's pup is in need of a few more steps due to the degree of his guarding. Great for maint. though.:)
 

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While this is good advise, it appears that Puli's pup is in need of a few more steps due to the degree of his guarding. Great for maint. though.:)
yes, I agree, thats why i told him to pm me..but it is somthing to start with..Im not going to get into training methods on this open forum.
 

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